Burnham has won. More turmoil?

Yet still the country wasn’t as divided as it is now.

Why are you talking like I’m a massive fan of the tories?? I’m not! Do you not think I disagree with what they did either. But as I’ve pointed out earlier. It took them 14 years to lose popularity. It’s taken Starmer less than a year. I think a lot of people wanted him out after his first 12 months and that’s a record. Liz Truss was not elected by the public. Starmer was.

Forty years ago we were in the thick of Thatcherism. There were strikes as the government radically reformed society, de-industrialising and de-unionising. Section 28 - anti gay legislation - was in force and homophobia was rife. Thatcher was refusing sanctions against South Africa, racism was normal and commonplace in the UK. The Broadwater Farm riots had recently happened. Women faced gross misogyny and rape victims routinely disbelieved. Unemployment was high, as was inequality which dramatically widened in the 80s. Let's not look at that period with rose tinted glasses.

Forty years ago we were in the thick of Thatcherism. There were strikes as the government radically reformed society, de-industrialising and de-unionising. Section 28 - anti gay legislation - was in force and homophobia was rife. Thatcher was refusing sanctions against South Africa, racism was normal and commonplace in the UK. The Broadwater Farm riots had recently happened. Women faced gross misogyny and rape victims routinely disbelieved. Unemployment was high, as was inequality which dramatically widened in the 80s. Let's not look at that period with rose tinted glasses.

So…. Look at how the country was 40 years ago. I seem to remember it not being so divided. Morale was nowhere near as low as it is now.
Starmer labels anyone who speaks out against him as far right. The digital ID thing… dressed up as banning kids U16 from social media yet adults have to verify their age via digital ID to prove they’re adults.

I'm not sure I understand what you say. Do you mean that a left wing government or left wing movement is trying to pit people against each other on the grounds of whether they're concerned about immigration? What benefit would that bring?

I'm not aware of the government wanting to control the population as a whole. Again, to what purpose? There isn't a plan for mandatory digital ID; that was dropped as compulsory ID schemes tend to be, no matter what shade the govt. that suggests them.

I guess I'm just interested less in the how you think the left is trying to create division and more in the why.

I’m sorry, but this is nonsense. I’m not sure where you are getting your ‘viral videos’ from, but its clearly not what the rest of us are seeing.

What unlimited mass migration are you talking about?

Maybe go and check out the latest figures.

No. Some people would label you racist for voicing concerns in a racist way. Big difference.

Really? How interesting

Oh and no you’re wrong. Myself with a foreign national ex and 2 kids of mixed race has been called racist for speaking up about unlimited mass migration on these sort of threads. Go figure

Some people would label you a racist though if you voice concern about immigration levels. It’s a way to shut down debate.

You are either being wilfully obtuse, or are too dumb to bother with. Good day.

Because people are concerned about the high levels of mass immigration yet call everyone who speaks up about it ‘racists’. It’s like they are creating a them and “us” scenario.

I'm pretty sure the only people who get called racist are the many obvious racists.

Oh like the poster very early this morning who made a racist comment on this thread about white male leaders! But nobody has mentioned that except me. Now if they’d have said brown male leaders everyone would have been quick to jump on the racist bandwagon! Okay!

Because people are concerned about the high levels of mass immigration yet call everyone who speaks up about it ‘racists’. It’s like they are creating a them and “us” scenario.
The government seem to want to control everyone by whatever means possible. Pushing digital ID while claiming they have a “mandate”. Nobody gave them a mandate for that. I’ve never known the country in such a state that it’s in now. Everyone is divided. Wasn’t like this 30/40 years ago. The country is divided under this government. Never known anything like it.

Because people are concerned about the high levels of mass immigration yet call everyone who speaks up about it ‘racists’. It’s like they are creating a them and “us” scenario.

I'm pretty sure the only people who get called racist are the many obvious racists.

Nope! Don’t give me that shit! Apparently according to the left racism means anyone who speaks out against mass uncontrolled illegal migration is a “racist”. You however, chose to target a specific skin colour - white men! Can’t be racism when it suits now can it!

Because people are concerned about the high levels of mass immigration yet call everyone who speaks up about it ‘racists’. It’s like they are creating a them and “us” scenario.

I'm pretty sure the only people who get called racist are the many obvious racists.

Because people are concerned about the high levels of mass immigration yet call everyone who speaks up about it ‘racists’. It’s like they are creating a them and “us” scenario.
The government seem to want to control everyone by whatever means possible. Pushing digital ID while claiming they have a “mandate”. Nobody gave them a mandate for that. I’ve never known the country in such a state that it’s in now. Everyone is divided. Wasn’t like this 30/40 years ago. The country is divided under this government. Never known anything like it.

Before that there were different policies.

He isn't the "worst PM in history" at all, he was just given that label by the right wing press and it is then parroted by people like you.
How can he possibly be worse than Boris Johnson & the way he dealt with the pandemic or Liz Truss & the way she almost single handedly bankrupted the country?

You know it's nonsense and you clearly don't like people not letting you get away with your sweeping statements that have no real basis in fact.

To what ends?

Youre really not that impressive either tying yourself in knots trying to defend a failed PM. Rated the worst PM in British history in fact. But let’s agree to disagree because we are just going around in circles.

oh seriously! Like the left aren’t trying to cause division. Okay 😂