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Not all men, but always men

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Amodernhistory · 18/06/2026 19:58

Driving home from work tonight to the main news stories on the radio being 1) man tortures adopted baby to death and 2) man arrested after child ends up in crocodile enclosure at zoo.

I am absolutely sick of the daily onslaught of problematic men, monsters, committing outrages. That’s all, no suggestions, just AIBU to be sickened by this constant stream of beasts who live amongst us (Gisele Pelicot’s husband, recent terrorist attacks, daily murders of women by men) combined with personal experiences of men who ‘you wouldn’t have thought it to look at him’ turning out to be sex pests and paedophiles is putting me right off them as a sex class. Not your man, not your son, not my (lovely) Dad, but all the other men… how do we know which ones?

Its hard not to conclude it’s a man problem.

OP posts:
Zov · 18/06/2026 23:44

Solaitt · 18/06/2026 23:41

JFC are you DUMB?

We women KNOW that other women are capable of violence and murder? WE KNOW THAT!

The point is, that men are staggeringly more likely to be abusers and murderers. 10 times more likely! It is factual.

Violence against women and girls by men is an epidemic!

Why are choosing to ignore this?

It's quite annoying isn't it? Do they really not get it? Or are they just being deliberately obtuse?

JaniceBattersby · 18/06/2026 23:44

PenelopeJoanSterling · 18/06/2026 23:17

maybe the news is missing stories of all bad women ? then it would even it

This is total bollocks. Why do you think journalists (an industry still run by men) would miss stories of ‘all bad women’. The opposite actually happens. When I see a woman in court I go to the case because it’s so unusual, which in and of itself makes it newsworthy.

I just did a quick tally of the people in my crown court this week. 74 men, no women. The mags will have slightly more women because they commit a higher proportion of low level traffic offences than any other crime, and they’re dealt with in the mags. But I bet it’s still less than 10 per cent who are women.

WilfredsPies · 18/06/2026 23:44

Cakeymauve · 18/06/2026 23:39

Well, so what?

What do you mean, ‘So what?’ Isn’t it glaringly obvious?

ETA Having just seen your subsequent post, I think I may owe you an apology!

Cakeymauve · 18/06/2026 23:43

I’m so sick of seeing men and women rush when it’s stated that it’s mostly men, it is. It’s fact. There’s so much data to back it up. It’s overwhelmingly men that rape, sexually harass women, are violent to other men and women.
why we have to caveat with yes woman can be awful too all the time to make men feel better I don’t know. Yes some women have and will do terrible things, but the numbers compared to men? It’s not even a fucking comparison.
even more disappointing when women say stuff like this.

Solaitt · 18/06/2026 23:41

PollyBell · 18/06/2026 23:33

I dont care call it what you want women don't want to think other women do wrong, we all know it is a delusion

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JFC are you DUMB?

We women KNOW that other women are capable of violence and murder? WE KNOW THAT!

The point is, that men are staggeringly more likely to be abusers and murderers. 10 times more likely! It is factual.

Violence against women and girls by men is an epidemic!

Why are choosing to ignore this?

Zov · 18/06/2026 23:41

Eenymeanymineymo · 18/06/2026 23:37

No one is saying women dont do wrong. What we are saying is the wrong that we do is a tiny percent of wrong that men do. And if men only matched the percent of wrong doing that women did.....crime would literally not exist.

Exactly. And if a few posters want to talk about the VERY SMALL MINORITY of women who are 'bad' they can start their own thread. I'm not responding to any of the 'yeah but yeah but WOMEN' posts any longer.

Cakeymauve · 18/06/2026 23:39

Zov · 18/06/2026 23:38

Well, as many of us are aware, men do post on here sometimes. (And that was almost certainly a man who made that comment early on - on the first page of the thread....)

I really cannot imagine any woman saying 'oh but WOMEN are awful sometimes too!'

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Well, so what?

Zov · 18/06/2026 23:38

Cakeymauve · 18/06/2026 23:37

Didn’t take long for someone to pop up with this comment.

I agree with you OP. And it is fact, it’s not all men, but it’s mostly men.

Well, as many of us are aware, men do post on here sometimes. (And that was almost certainly a man who made that comment early on - on the first page of the thread....)

I really cannot imagine any woman saying 'oh but WOMEN are awful sometimes too!'

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Eenymeanymineymo · 18/06/2026 23:37

PollyBell · 18/06/2026 23:33

I dont care call it what you want women don't want to think other women do wrong, we all know it is a delusion

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No one is saying women dont do wrong. What we are saying is the wrong that we do is a tiny percent of wrong that men do. And if men only matched the percent of wrong doing that women did.....crime would literally not exist.

hourglass2 · 18/06/2026 23:37

Eenymeanymineymo · 18/06/2026 23:34

That case broke me. His name was/is Peter.

I know that. he would have turned 20 in March :(

Cakeymauve · 18/06/2026 23:37

Jellycatspyjamas · 18/06/2026 20:00

It’s not always men though, there are a fair few women who harm their own children, who kill their own children.

Didn’t take long for someone to pop up with this comment.

I agree with you OP. And it is fact, it’s not all men, but it’s mostly men.

Moonlightdust · 18/06/2026 23:36

SilenceInside · 18/06/2026 20:23

Always always these threads are derailed by people naming women who have committed terrible crimes. The fact that there is a short list of women or victims of women who can be named actually makes the opposite point than the one they hope to make. The numbers of men who commit these crimes is so vast that they are nameless thousands of them. No one is claiming that women don’t commit violent crimes. The rates are vastly different.

Absolutely. I was coming here to say this. The number of women committing extreme crimes is overwhelmingly outbalanced by the sheer magnitude of men committing them worldwide.

MightyDandelionEsq · 18/06/2026 23:36

hourglass2 · 18/06/2026 23:31

Yep she was so desperate to have any bloke in her life that she turned up the volume on the TV so she didn't have to hear Peter's screams, it's just so so awful. Unfortunately the monsterous pig that killed Baby P is now free I believe, that makes me fucking angry but that's another thread

I didn’t know this. That has broken my heart as a Mother.

I really think the death penalty has to come back as what good does having that man walking free do? How will he ever be useful in society?

WilfredsPies · 18/06/2026 23:36

PollyBell · 18/06/2026 23:33

I dont care call it what you want women don't want to think other women do wrong, we all know it is a delusion

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It’s not obstinacy, is it?

Eenymeanymineymo · 18/06/2026 23:34

hourglass2 · 18/06/2026 23:31

Yep she was so desperate to have any bloke in her life that she turned up the volume on the TV so she didn't have to hear Peter's screams, it's just so so awful. Unfortunately the monsterous pig that killed Baby P is now free I believe, that makes me fucking angry but that's another thread

That case broke me. His name was/is Peter.

PollyBell · 18/06/2026 23:33

WilfredsPies · 18/06/2026 23:28

@PollyBell I don’t know if you’re a misogynist or you’re wilfully missing the point through obstinacy.

Either way, it’s like wading through treacle.

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I dont care call it what you want women don't want to think other women do wrong, we all know it is a delusion

hourglass2 · 18/06/2026 23:31

justintimeforxmas · 18/06/2026 22:22

baby P was murdered by a man. He was murdered by the mother’s boyfriend.

it’s interesting that you remember the mother being involved rather than the man who actually killed him. His mother, Tracey Connolly was convicted a
of allowing the abuse to be done to Baby P.

When women are involved in a murder it is more likely to be reported in the media due to its unusualness and because it goes against the perception of women in society. This skews the perception of the number of female murderers to make murderers.

Yep she was so desperate to have any bloke in her life that she turned up the volume on the TV so she didn't have to hear Peter's screams, it's just so so awful. Unfortunately the monsterous pig that killed Baby P is now free I believe, that makes me fucking angry but that's another thread

WilfredsPies · 18/06/2026 23:28

@PollyBell I don’t know if you’re a misogynist or you’re wilfully missing the point through obstinacy.

Either way, it’s like wading through treacle.

Zov · 18/06/2026 23:27

Eenymeanymineymo · 18/06/2026 23:25

Totally recognise and agree with all this! I was actually in the car park at work putting sawdust over paint, that yes, a man had dropped a pot, and not only had it created a mess in car park...it had gone over mine and colleagues car!! Yet, being the cool, level headed manager I am....Im sorting situation out. Man and wife park nearby, me and colleague trying to sort mess out, he is explaining to wife whats happening. He's lovely at that point. She heads into store. He waits in car. And the abuse from him then was ridiculous. We should do this, that and the other. He knows best. Im just a lazy bitch, probably for once doing some work as Im usually sat on my arse (I fucking wish). He went on and on. I just told him to shut up, and when I was happy with the paint situation was I walked off. Where does this behaviour come from?! Its just vile. Another day in paradise.

Yep, sounds like many men! Sorry you had to tolerate this. Flowers

NamelessNancy · 18/06/2026 23:26

I asked chatgpt (I know, I know) for figures on the uk women convicted of child abuse or murder in the last 5 years. It gave me 19 names. There was a disclaimer about some cases being anonymous etc.

When I asked the same question for male perpetrators the answer was "I can’t give all names reliably from public sources. For men, the public list is enormous once you include sexual abuse, neglect/cruelty, online offences and non-recent convictions."

"Enormous." Why do women feel the need to deny how skewed this data is? I genuinely don't understand.

BibbityBobbity2 · 18/06/2026 23:26

One in ten, that’s how many admitted in a survey to abusing a child. That’s the number admitting, mind.

Similar surveys all over the western world show similar findings.

In a similar survey from Australia over one in twenty of the men surveyed said they would “definitely” or be “highly likely” to abuse a child between the ages of ten and fourteen if they knew they’d get away with it.

Similar questions in the UK survey found that around 1/3 of men would be highly likely to abuse a child when you extended the age range beyond 10 to 14.

My daughter missed out on two sleepovers at the homes of single dads we don’t know recently. It’s sad, because in all likelihood they are decent men, but the high number of less than decent men out there means I would never take the risk.Article

PenelopeJoanSterling · 18/06/2026 23:25

Zov · 18/06/2026 23:24

Literally contradicted yourself spectacularly there.

Epic fail.

nah, i just didnt have a clue the point i was trying to make, but strictly speaking however youtube is not headlines

Eenymeanymineymo · 18/06/2026 23:25

Zov · 18/06/2026 23:12

@Eenymeanymineymo

Men are always vile to any female in retail. They would never speak to any male the same way. I see it day in, day out. Like you, I take no nonsense. Had some man in his 60's shouting at me today. For something that was of no concern to him. He was absolutely lovely to me until his wife wandered off around the store. Then he was awful. I ignored him. Just literally told him to be quiet and walked off. I bet his wife thinks he's lovely. The reality is very different. She'd be a NAMALT or a NMN for sure. When he's like that in both camps.

I have heard many similar tales to yours. Just two examples...

I have known a middle aged man saying to a checkout operator 'oooh, only if it's FREEEEEE' when she asks if he wants cashback, and she's just half smiled and ignored what he said (because she's heard 100 middle aged men that week saying the same fucking thing!) and as he walked off he said 'grumpy cow!' I mean, just how DARE she not laugh out loud at his hilarious quip?! 🙄

Then the other week - when I was loading my food shopping into my car,) I heard this man (55-ish) say to a woman coming towards him with a trolley outside Morrisons 'ooooh, got a driving licence for that have ya?' 😆

She ignored him. As soon as she was behind him (still within earshot,) he said 'miserable cunt.' His wife (I assume it was his wife) who was with him, said to him 'what? Maybe she just didn't want to engage in conversation with you. She doesn't owe you a reaction or a conversation!' He said 'no, she's a miserable cunt.'

I will be my house that he has NEVER acted like this towards a man - and would never EVER call a man a 'miserable cunt' if he ignored him.

Sadly, though some don't like to admit it, when you strip it down, the majority of men are just deeply vile.

Totally recognise and agree with all this! I was actually in the car park at work putting sawdust over paint, that yes, a man had dropped a pot, and not only had it created a mess in car park...it had gone over mine and colleagues car!! Yet, being the cool, level headed manager I am....Im sorting situation out. Man and wife park nearby, me and colleague trying to sort mess out, he is explaining to wife whats happening. He's lovely at that point. She heads into store. He waits in car. And the abuse from him then was ridiculous. We should do this, that and the other. He knows best. Im just a lazy bitch, probably for once doing some work as Im usually sat on my arse (I fucking wish). He went on and on. I just told him to shut up, and when I was happy with the paint situation was I walked off. Where does this behaviour come from?! Its just vile. Another day in paradise.

Zov · 18/06/2026 23:24

PenelopeJoanSterling · 18/06/2026 23:18

youtube has many rage videos of females behaving badly against retail workers, yet they dont make headlines ?

Literally contradicted yourself spectacularly there.

Epic fail.

PollyBell · 18/06/2026 23:23

WilfredsPies · 18/06/2026 23:18

Fuck me, just when I think men can’t be any more depressing, someone like you comes along and lowers the bar that bit further.

How dare you tell women to shut up in case we provoke some nutter into doing something violent? How dare you tell us to write to our MPs when the government has had to create an entire fucking department to deal with violence against women and girls committed by men? Do you have any idea how many women had to die at the hands of men for that department to be created? And what the fuck has it changed? We’ve written our letters. We’ve done our ‘claiming back the streets’ walks. We’ve gone on angry protests. And you fuckers are still killing us, raping us and beating us and getting away with it. Don’t you dare tell any woman not to be fucking furious about that fact.

Men are totally responsible for any crimes they do and so should women be for turning a blind eye or moving random men in who harm children and yes some women hand children to abusers deliberately and yes some women harm children themselves

I don't care what links or statistics people want to throw around both women and men harm children and all this faux women are saints helps no one