Not all men, but always men

I hope you're ok. It is really hard recording this kind of thing for work. Whenever I have needed to cover sexual assault, child sexual assault, murder, horrendous death, ethnic cleansing etc it has really affected me after I have gone home and tried to decompress from the trauma. It never hits at work (except Beslan which left me sobbing in a corner). I always hits later when I'm trying to sleep or make sense of the fucked up world we live in.

I hope you are getting the mental health support you need xx

96% of the prison population is male. Just dwell on that.

61. There are on average c.7000 convictions a year for CSA.

Agree with the OP. But I also agree with the poster arguing that sexual harassment is worse from men (it’s always men!) from some other cultures. I can’t stand having to pretend this isn’t true. I don’t want it to be true, as a liberal Londoner, and I hate all the Reform people. But I grew up in London and as a teenager circa 2005 and yes it was predominantly non-white, newly arrived, MEN who would be sexually threatening and we all knew to be wary of. Why is it hushed up so much. It seemed like there were a different set of rules for them and they could get away with being abusive as we didn’t know how to call it out or were just very used to it. But it was hard to deal with as a young female. It would happen anywhere, the park, on the tube, the bus stop. And I don’t think anything’s changed.

Ok? Go and start your own thread about violent women then.

I presume PP was addressing the clear inaccuracy in the thread title - as it is indeed far more often men who commit these kinds of crimes; but it patently isn't always men, as claimed. It weakens the point being made when people deliberately choose sensationalist hyperbole over the facts, which are already appalling enough.

Even in the horrific case of the vile monsters who abused and murdered little Preston, as cited in the OP, Preston's mum is a violent murderer too.

It would be nice if we could avoid twisting this right away into a whole other debate. It detracts from the OP’s point, which is that it is MEN ( not all men) as opposed to women. I agree with the OP, and I feel it’s important to keep that focus.

@Amodernhistory It is very, very much, by a huge majority, largely men committing violent crime and largely men receiving whole life orders for acts of absolute depravity.

I'm a man, and I agree that your statement is 100% correct. As you said, almost every violent crime and depraved act is committed by a man. It is very rare and unusual for women to commit similar crimes.

The part that everyone overlooks though, and which everyone refuses to discuss, is why these violent and depraved men have no difficulty finding partners or relationships. Ian Watkins and Ian Huntley were both swamped with love letters in prison. What's that about, and why is that not being addressed?

It's pure entitlement, socialised into them from a young age, and acceptance of that entitlement is socialised into girls.

And every single mother and father out there has the power to stop that, it's just a long and slow process.

Male entitlement is why even wonderful adorable men like my husband and son are sometimes twattishly lazy - and why really horrible men are violent and rapey.

…Men though, right?

No - men.

Culture is important.

This is why for example Japan has female only trains due to issues with the native men upskirting, sexually assaulting and raping the women.

Being aware is not bashing. Being aware is being risk averse as a woman based on stats.

My issue is if we have a VAWG and misogynistic problem then we should probably be aware of importing more of it.

not quite…there are around 110 male prisons in England and wales. Just 11 for women.

Oh take a day off. British men are shits.

96% of the prison population are men. Women prisoners are also far less likely to have committed violent crimes compared to men.

I am not blaming her. But I had 2 non sleeping babies, and can't ever imagine saying " He's dead meat today" to anyone.

Men are more likely to murder other men’s children. Brought into the home by women. That part is true.

She was a sleep consultant, so she's probsbly heard similar from hundreds of parents at the end of their rope when their baby isn't sleeping and never imagined for 1 minute her own brother could do something so evil. Nobody could imagine that, so let's not blame a woman here.

Agree on the resentment, and also on the level of depravity. Glad that guy is never getting parole; I hope it means that the courts have started taking it seriously.

I read same. That was also true of the man who threw that young French boy 100ft off the Tate Modern viewing gallery and nearly killed him, I read he was with his carer at the time.

One thing that did strike me in the Davey case: Jamie Varley confessed his violent thoughts to his sister. Why didn't she report him or take the baby away? I would have. This isn't to blame her exactly. Perhaps she didn't realise he was a pedophile. But just goes to show how " good" men can get away with murder.

Oh jesus, this has turned into another immigrant bashing thread. Sigh

I also had a career as a court reporter from 2001-2013. I appreciate it's some time ago but my experience was the same. I only ever covered one case of a woman who committed murder and she killed a man who had been abusing her.

Because we take stats to make things better. It works the opposite way whereby we found black women had worst maternal outcomes so we need to combat that. We found black men are more likely to have prostate cancer so they’ll be getting more access to testing than white men.

It’s okay then but it’s not okay to point out how different cultures affect the danger/risk to women and girls? Should we ignore Andrew Tates influence because he’s also a Muslim or is that okay because he’s white? It’s hypocritical not to look at it as a whole and then smear others who notice patterns.

This case is a bit different though isn’t it? The suspect is a man with learning difficulties and we need to wait and see how this all unfolded.