To think the BBC just mispresented baby Preston's killer (and in way that was favourable to the killer) ?

Well, whatever the judge said, he gave Varley a whole-life sentence, which reflects the exceptional seriousness of the crime.

It is scary to think that such perverted people even exist, let alone could adopt. I think people trusted him too much because he was a teacher.

This is not known ..sadists are different to paedophiles …having sex to dominate is different to paedophilia, pleasure from torture is a different thing…I’m not sure why having this label matters so much to people ..these 2 are murderers

Preston had injuries ignored ..this is being investigated..it’s appalling and people are raging about labels

Do you mean the bit here on Racio 4 News from 9 mins and 10 secs to 10 mins and 20 secs? World at One - Baby murderer to spend whole life in prison - BBC Sounds

I think it's a paraphrase of comments made by the judge.

I don't know if it's an accurate paraphrase or not, but it does sound a bit "off".

The journalist asked the person he was interviewing ( I think a former minister) if statutory services hadn’t been sufficiently forward in investigating the perpetrator because he was gay. The minister agreed that was a possibility.

I’m assuming the judge’s report was a lot longer than the couple of sentences that were quoted from it on WATO. So the BBC editorial team chose to select those and not others. For all we know, maybe the judge followed up that sentence with a comment about that being an implausible explanation and evidence of his bad faith. But the BBC didn’t quote the whole report so I’ve no idea.

YABU. I watched the 1o'clock news and I thought the reporter was barely holding it together.

Far from trying to excuse the perpetrators they reported that the details were so obscene, so cruel that they couldn't be reported at that time. He had to report what the defence said.

It's the judges job to do the summing up and sentencing. In this case the judge imposed a Whole Life Sentence with no parole and a 25 year sentence.👏👏👏

I hope the witnesses, jury and others get support after this. It is a truly harrowing case.😢🙏

What is this bizarre narrative that you are pushing @lyarlyarpantsonfire ?😵‍💫

Agreed.

No, people who are pedophiles have sexual desires towards children.

Anyway, i dont wish to waste anymore time on his motivations or what was said.

He is a murder and a pedophile.

But yes he did tell people close to him various comments. I dont care if my sister or best friend told me stuff like.. id report to social services and I would move mountains to be there each day to make sure nothing was going on. Its crazy. Honestly, I keep thinking about this little boy and then giving my little girl the biggest hug. I cant imagine ever hurting her. I cant believe people have it in them, evil people I may add.

From all of this it shows we desperately need to change the system. If i ever went to hospital with my little girl, altho stressful, I would bloody hope it would be investigated if something didn't look right.

Yes I agree we’re not talking about a parent lashing out and losing it due to delirium over zero sleep for months, are we. I mean don’t get my words twisted I’m not saying that would excuse anything but it would have a strong argument for temporary insanity. Those 2 beasts were evil and manipulative.

The judges comments were the issue in that particular case. Not the sentencing.

Their crimes are utterly horrendous - and all of the reporting I have seen on this case has said nothing different.

What is awful here is the OP using this as an excuse to try and push some kind of homophobic agenda and then opening the door to the racist agenda as well.

This has nothing to do with a male gay couple being allowed to adopt - and the underlying inference that somehow social workers overlooked red flags because the men were gay is nothing more than pure homophobia. The vetting process for adoption is intense but not perfect - and monsters don't announce their intentions and here's the shocker - look and sound just like normal people - the fact that one was a teacher added another level of perceived safety.

A child has been violated and killed - please remember that and don't use that for cheap political point scoring.

You are surprised a paedo supporting network supported a paedophile? Wakey fucking wakey!

Why do you think he’s a paedophile apologist when he just handed down a whole life sentence to Jamie Varley and gave John McGowan-Fazackerly 25 years (almost unheard of for a non-murder crime)? Does that sound like someone who is soft on this sort of crime?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czrx8gj112mo

There is absolutely nothing here that excuses their acts or minimises them

Using the actions of 1 or 2 criminals to whip up a frenzy about a whole group …is prejudice in action…heterosexual adopters have tortured children as have biological parents

Really?

Has Tim Davie resigning over the impartiality crisis at the BBC passed you by?

I am struggling to find the right words to express this.

Obviously, many many many people find parenting frustrating and hard and would never abuse their children, sexually or not.

Therefore it doesn't follow that their sexual abuse of Preston was caused by their struggles in parenting.

However, in these particular people, who seem to have been sadists (they found extreme pornography, rumoured to be related to choking, on Varney's phone), the stress of parenting seemed to have triggered them to abuse Preston.

Obviously you have to have the pre-existing psychology there to do that in the first place.

it's not the same as saying that paedophilia is caused by struggling with parenting.

These particular individuals seem to have expressed their frustration against Preston sexually.

The police didn't find evidence of a pre existing sexual interest in children on any of their devices. I assume they looked quite hard. Or at least I hope they did.

Unsure if this has already been said but surely the authorities will be investigating whether the teacher had abused any of his pupils? I’d be surprised if this was a first offence.

I think we overlook the many odd comments made by judges in their summing up, we attribute it to a sort of BoJo phenomena, posh twattish, eccentric, old......nope, doesn't wash with me. The judiciary is stacked to the rafters with paedophiles.

You’ve heard people described as monsters or evil on the BBC News?

What I heard was a man whose motivation was clearly sexual interest in children, not having that named and crap about him being desperate to be a Dad ( sure he was but to gain to sexual access to a child) who had then been overwhelmed by parenting.

I think it goes beyond sexual interest in children, as repellent as that is. The main perpetrator is clearly a sadist who enjoyed causing fear and pain. Thats another layer of awfulness here.

@Corvidsarethebest but the judge was commenting at that time on the sentencing of these 2 monsters. He’s not going to comment at that point about other potential abusers and the reporter was relaying the judge’s comments

Don't be ridiculous, they raped that baby ffs, people dont turn into paedophile because of 'stress', jesus christ.

@Emilesgran What did they leave out?

Why is this a daft comment? News is a selection of things that could be reported- that selection pays attention to certain things, and not to others. Here, the selection payed more attention to the stress of having a small baby and not enough to the extreme severe child sex abuse which must raise questions of if there were signs of this during the adoption process or how this could be picked up in another case.

I think they have confused the judge's sentencing remarks with the defence.