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AIBU to think these expectations of a charity shop manager are unfair?

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SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 07:55

In the last year or so, the charity associated with the shop I volunteer in has become much more stringent on the issue of the shop remaining open all the time, even when staff shortages make this difficult or impossible without our manager giving up her time off to come in and cover without extra pay.

Our shop has a paid (FT) manager and a paid (PT) deputy manager. The rest of the staff are all volunteers.

Neither of the managers work on the Sunday, so the shop is staffed entirely by volunteers on that day. It's the only full day off that our manager gets, as her working hours cover the other six days.

In the past, if not enough of the Sunday volunteers could come, the shop just wouldn't open that time. But according to what our manager says, she is now being told that if a suitable number of the volunteers cannot show up on Sunday, she needs to come in herself to provide cover, if other members of staff can't/won't. The (non-Sunday) volunteers are usually unable or unwilling to work on a Sunday, so it ends up falling to our manager.

This Sunday, for example - two of the (four Sunday) volunteers are unable to be there. I can be there, but our fourth Sunday volunteer does not arrive until between 1-1.30 pm. The shop opens shortly after 11 and health and safety rules dictate that staff are not allowed to be alone in the shop when it's open to the public. The manager has been told that she is expected to come in and cover.

I am 100% sure that she will not be paid for these additional hours; from what has been said, it's typically expected that additional cover is done unpaid. I think the charity works around it by offering time off in lieu, so as not to be in conflict with the law, but due to the complexity of rota staffing when the majority of staff are volunteers (and thus can have as much time off as they want, for any reason) I think our manager finds it quite tricky to take all of her leave.

If the above was just a one-off, I don't think it would matter, but whilst those of us who volunteer on Sunday do our best to be there as much as possible, there are times when other things conflict and take precedence. Last Sunday, I myself did not come in because my mother and I were looking after my nephews for the day. One of my colleagues has a partner with fragile health and she sometimes has to arrange for him to go to the hospital at short notice. So there are times when, for a multitude of reasons, not enough of us can show up at the same time to ensure that the shop is adequately covered throughout the day.

In the past, it was just accepted that the shop would not open for that day if enough of us could not make it. But like I say, in recent times, the charity has become less understanding/tolerant of this and are more or less insisting that our manager come in to provide the cover instead.

My view is that - given the majority of staff are volunteers, with the freedom to have time off whenever - that expecting the shop to always remain open isn't realistic or fair. We're not a 'typical' retail business in that respect, because most of us are unpaid.

Considering that the only day off our manager gets is the Sunday, I think it is unfair to expect/demand that she always cover, especially for no pay.

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oncemoreuntothebeachdearfriends · 18/06/2026 12:02

banmusk · 18/06/2026 11:43

What kind of a mug would work for free in a business where other people are getting paid for the same thing?

I volunteered once, never again.
I was interviewed by one person & told what I would be doing.
When I arrived, the Manager told me to clean the toilets.
I don't clean my own toilets, I walked out.

Diamond7272 · 18/06/2026 11:56

Supersimkin7 · 18/06/2026 11:11

Probably being bullied into it under the whole "but it's charityyyyy!" whine.

Charities have a begging mindset - their solution to any problem, human or otherwise, is to stick their hand out. Works. But…

Big charities squeeze lower paid staff till the pips squeak.

Retail costs have gone up for everyone but charity shops don’t pay the biggest one - business rates.

Charity shops get given extra cash by HMRC. HMRC give them money for every sale (20 per cent), so they make cash from
tax, rather than paying it like the rest of us.

Stock is free. Trained and skilled volunteers are free.

Shop Managers are paid NMW or thereabouts for a bloody difficult job. It’s a hard life.

Problems charities are facing for the first time:

  1. Vinted
  2. Customers are poorer
  3. Rents are rising
  4. Group shop or area managers aren’t retail experts. Ditto further layer upon layer of better paid mgt.
  5. Public has growing awareness of how little of their donation hits the cause
  6. Women, traditionally the core of the capable volunteers, support themselves financially these days and can’t work for £0.00

The solution? Stick your hand out and ask for another freebie from an exhausted employee.

Excellent answer.

As a charity shop regular, I'm also tired of seeing the same stock week after week, knowing full well that more has been donated, but all the good bits have been listed on ebay or similar sites by the volunteers in the warehouse or back store rooms. There's nothing good going out into the shop.

Oxfam have all their jewellery, cameras, militaria, antique books, silver, crystal, tech, online... Listed on their ebay account, often at silly high prices.

No point going into the shops... Certainly no good deals any more.

Yes, I know they have to get the 'best price', and I know it's galling when flog it and antiques roadshow say "I bought it in a charity shop for two pounds" and it's worth thousands, but 99.9999% of the time that's not the case...

The CEO's need to be less greedy on their wages. Talking like MPs that they 'need' massive salaries to attract the 'best people' just reminds me of greedy duck house conservatives and Lady Mone of Mayfair :)...

Agapornis · 18/06/2026 11:51

With the hours she's doing, she's probably earning below minimum wage? If she can't take the TOIL she's not getting paid for it. She needs to contact ACAS, HMRC, and her union - hopefully she's in one. Unite is quite good for the charity sector.

If I were her I'd aim to go on work related stress sick leave until I turn 68. The charity is not more important than her wellbeing.

I've worked in the sector for years and there are plenty of charity employers who take advantage and guilt trip. She's old enough not to fall for that shit anymore.

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 11:47

Hwart · 18/06/2026 11:45

You post about this charity shop a lot.

@Hwart

Yes - I find it interesting and fun to do so.

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SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 11:46

banmusk · 18/06/2026 11:43

What kind of a mug would work for free in a business where other people are getting paid for the same thing?

@banmusk

I work there for free - because, for the most part, I find it fun.

There are people who find volunteering enjoyable and rewarding. I do think it's the case that there are less people among the public who are able or willing to volunteer, but many of those who do it, do enjoy it.

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Hwart · 18/06/2026 11:45

You post about this charity shop a lot.

banmusk · 18/06/2026 11:43

clarrylove · 18/06/2026 08:08

Sounds like you need to recruit more volunteers.

What kind of a mug would work for free in a business where other people are getting paid for the same thing?

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 11:31

I take people's points about a solution being for the managers to rearrange their working hours so that one of them works on a Sunday. The manager may end up having to attempt that.

It's my personal perception that both managers would rather not be rota'd to work on Sundays if possible. The manager attends church and would like to go as much as possible. I think the deputy manager would prefer not to work Sundays and after so many years of having Sunday as a day off, may be reluctant to change which days her hours fall upon.

Bit it might end up being something they need to consider, if not end up outright doing - perhaps alternately sharing Sundays, as someone suggested. It remains to be seen, I suppose.

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SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 11:25

WhatHappenedToYourFurnitureCuz · 18/06/2026 11:20

Yeah okay, "she" needs to say no. MN isn't going to come up with a magical answer.

@WhatHappenedToYourFurnitureCuz

I'm not expecting an answer. This is just a discussion.

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ENGLANDalltheway · 18/06/2026 11:24

Rhymetyme · 18/06/2026 07:59

A manager should be there at all times. What's the punt of having two managers who work the same shifts and leave gaps? The manager and deputy need to agree which of them work on Sundays, maybe alternating.

This. The working patterns need looking at. It's retail and so one of the 2 managers work either the Saturday or Sunday, not a office type pattern of Monday to Friday. Surely they have worked retail before!

WhatHappenedToYourFurnitureCuz · 18/06/2026 11:20

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 11:06

@WhatHappenedToYourFurnitureCuz

I don't need to say no to anything - I'm not the one being demanded to work additional hours.

It's the manager who is under this pressure, not me. I'm not being asked anything extra or unreasonable.

Yeah okay, "she" needs to say no. MN isn't going to come up with a magical answer.

Supersimkin7 · 18/06/2026 11:11

Probably being bullied into it under the whole "but it's charityyyyy!" whine.

Charities have a begging mindset - their solution to any problem, human or otherwise, is to stick their hand out. Works. But…

Big charities squeeze lower paid staff till the pips squeak.

Retail costs have gone up for everyone but charity shops don’t pay the biggest one - business rates.

Charity shops get given extra cash by HMRC. HMRC give them money for every sale (20 per cent), so they make cash from
tax, rather than paying it like the rest of us.

Stock is free. Trained and skilled volunteers are free.

Shop Managers are paid NMW or thereabouts for a bloody difficult job. It’s a hard life.

Problems charities are facing for the first time:

  1. Vinted
  2. Customers are poorer
  3. Rents are rising
  4. Group shop or area managers aren’t retail experts. Ditto further layer upon layer of better paid mgt.
  5. Public has growing awareness of how little of their donation hits the cause
  6. Women, traditionally the core of the capable volunteers, support themselves financially these days and can’t work for £0.00

The solution? Stick your hand out and ask for another freebie from an exhausted employee.

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 11:11

katepilar · 18/06/2026 10:16

Interesting to read for me. Where I am from /Europe/ lots of shops only have one member of staff/owner working. They close for ther lunch break or to run errands. They wouldnt be able to run at all if they had to have two people or manager on site at all times.

Is this a usual set up in the UK what OP describes?

@katepilar

As far as I understand, at the charity I am speaking of it, it is against health and safety rules for the shops to be open to the public with less than two members of staff.

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SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 11:08

Mousespoons · 18/06/2026 10:03

Is it oxfam?

I have a friend in a very similar situation (charity shop manager) lots of pressure and barely ever gets a day off. They are all about human rights, but not their own staff it seems.

@Mousespoons

Affirmative.

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SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 11:06

WhatHappenedToYourFurnitureCuz · 18/06/2026 11:03

You need to let go of the guilt and start saying no. You've had at least two MN threads to give you all the validation you need - you're not in the wrong here.

@WhatHappenedToYourFurnitureCuz

I don't need to say no to anything - I'm not the one being demanded to work additional hours.

It's the manager who is under this pressure, not me. I'm not being asked anything extra or unreasonable.

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SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 11:05

gamerchick · 18/06/2026 09:58

Pulls on the old heartstrings. Probably works as well.

@gamerchick

With personal experience of how stressed my manager gets due to so much pressure (which can sometimes affect her temperament in the shop) I would say it is extremely unlikely that the manager is making this up.

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WhatHappenedToYourFurnitureCuz · 18/06/2026 11:03

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 10:59

@Welldoya

I strongly doubt that, especially as she is backed up in her assertions by the deputy manager, and I have also personally experienced on a few occasions the effect on the manager's temperament because of how stressful she is finding everything. I have seen her close to tears a couple of times.

You need to let go of the guilt and start saying no. You've had at least two MN threads to give you all the validation you need - you're not in the wrong here.

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 11:02

oncemoreuntothebeachdearfriends · 18/06/2026 09:50

The Manager (OP?) needs to be firm & refuse.
I regularly hunt in charity shops, & it's rare for them to open on Sundays.

@oncemoreuntothebeachdearfriends

I'm not the manager. I'm one of the volunteers.

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Usedtohelp · 18/06/2026 10:59

clarrylove · 18/06/2026 08:08

Sounds like you need to recruit more volunteers.

This. A different type of volunteer without family commitments. One of Managers needs to be in person per shift.

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 10:59

Welldoya · 18/06/2026 09:18

You posted about this exact issue months ago @SorcererGaheris , with the added detail that your manager doesn’t even get paid for working Sundays

basically - I think your manager is feeding you a load of garbage

@Welldoya

I strongly doubt that, especially as she is backed up in her assertions by the deputy manager, and I have also personally experienced on a few occasions the effect on the manager's temperament because of how stressful she is finding everything. I have seen her close to tears a couple of times.

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SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 10:56

DysonHoover · 18/06/2026 09:17

My DD is a deputy manager - clearly not the same charity as their shops don't open Sundays. Either her or the store manager have to be present during all opening hours, which I assumed was normal for all charities.

@DysonHoover Opening on Sundays isn't a universal thing for all of this charity's shops, it's simply been the done thing at this particular bookshop for ages.

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ClaredeBear · 18/06/2026 10:53

Ethelspagetti · 18/06/2026 09:12

If the manager is 67 I’m sure she could retire? She shouldn’t be working 7 days a week especially at her age. Obviously it makes sense to close on Sundays or one day mid week.

I’m sure she still has her faculties about her to make up her own mind about what she can and can’t do at 67. It’s lovely that you are unaware that many people need to continue working well into their 70s to make ends meet but I’m afraid that’s the case. In any case, she does not need to work seven days a week.

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 10:52

AgentPidge · 18/06/2026 10:24

Can't they close on a Sunday? All the small shops are closed Sundays locally to me, apart from the big chains, coffee shops etc.

@AgentPidge

The higher-ups don't want us closed on Sundays. For as long as I've been volunteering (which is 16 years) the shop has opened 7 days a week, but on occasions on which an adequate number of staff could not show up on a particular day (usually the Sunday, as that has always been the one day that is entirely volunteer-run) it was accepted that the shop just wouldn't open on that particular day.

In recent times, those above seem very unwilling to accept shop closures at all.

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Secretseverywhere · 18/06/2026 10:52

gamerchick · 18/06/2026 09:55

Well that's what we're told on here. Charity shops aren't for the needy and there to make a profit for the charity.

So these people can pay their staff to work.

This is your manager's job to sort. One of them will have to change their shift patterns. It's not the volunteers problem and frankly charities take the piss out of their volunteers. I'll never do it again.

Well we are now but I think that there’s been a change over the last twenty years, the Mary Portas style gentrification of charity shops to be run purely on the basis of profit. Obviously that’s their prerogative.

Where I live there are lots of community endeavours that take on the role that charity shops used to fill and pass on things like free/ donate what you can school uniform, kids coats and wellies, bookshelves in old phone boxes / supermarkets. These community run organisations absorb the volunteers who might have donated their time to charity shops in years gone by.

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 10:50

Ethelspagetti · 18/06/2026 09:12

If the manager is 67 I’m sure she could retire? She shouldn’t be working 7 days a week especially at her age. Obviously it makes sense to close on Sundays or one day mid week.

@Ethelspagetti

I suspect she can't afford to at the moment? She is single and does not own her own home - she rents.

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