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AIBU to think these expectations of a charity shop manager are unfair?

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SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 07:55

In the last year or so, the charity associated with the shop I volunteer in has become much more stringent on the issue of the shop remaining open all the time, even when staff shortages make this difficult or impossible without our manager giving up her time off to come in and cover without extra pay.

Our shop has a paid (FT) manager and a paid (PT) deputy manager. The rest of the staff are all volunteers.

Neither of the managers work on the Sunday, so the shop is staffed entirely by volunteers on that day. It's the only full day off that our manager gets, as her working hours cover the other six days.

In the past, if not enough of the Sunday volunteers could come, the shop just wouldn't open that time. But according to what our manager says, she is now being told that if a suitable number of the volunteers cannot show up on Sunday, she needs to come in herself to provide cover, if other members of staff can't/won't. The (non-Sunday) volunteers are usually unable or unwilling to work on a Sunday, so it ends up falling to our manager.

This Sunday, for example - two of the (four Sunday) volunteers are unable to be there. I can be there, but our fourth Sunday volunteer does not arrive until between 1-1.30 pm. The shop opens shortly after 11 and health and safety rules dictate that staff are not allowed to be alone in the shop when it's open to the public. The manager has been told that she is expected to come in and cover.

I am 100% sure that she will not be paid for these additional hours; from what has been said, it's typically expected that additional cover is done unpaid. I think the charity works around it by offering time off in lieu, so as not to be in conflict with the law, but due to the complexity of rota staffing when the majority of staff are volunteers (and thus can have as much time off as they want, for any reason) I think our manager finds it quite tricky to take all of her leave.

If the above was just a one-off, I don't think it would matter, but whilst those of us who volunteer on Sunday do our best to be there as much as possible, there are times when other things conflict and take precedence. Last Sunday, I myself did not come in because my mother and I were looking after my nephews for the day. One of my colleagues has a partner with fragile health and she sometimes has to arrange for him to go to the hospital at short notice. So there are times when, for a multitude of reasons, not enough of us can show up at the same time to ensure that the shop is adequately covered throughout the day.

In the past, it was just accepted that the shop would not open for that day if enough of us could not make it. But like I say, in recent times, the charity has become less understanding/tolerant of this and are more or less insisting that our manager come in to provide the cover instead.

My view is that - given the majority of staff are volunteers, with the freedom to have time off whenever - that expecting the shop to always remain open isn't realistic or fair. We're not a 'typical' retail business in that respect, because most of us are unpaid.

Considering that the only day off our manager gets is the Sunday, I think it is unfair to expect/demand that she always cover, especially for no pay.

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Welldoya · 18/06/2026 13:40

kellymoon44 · 18/06/2026 13:35

We should name and shame these charities. Your friend in a paid role is probably too scared to stand up to them. Maybe the volunteers could stand up to the charity for her?

It’s Oxfam

and I would bet a lot that this manager has NOT been told by HR she needs to come in on Sundays AND on the other thread the Op says the manager claims she’s unpaid.

Oh and the salary the Op thinks the manager gets (early £20000s) is nonsense. Literally go on Oxfams recruitment page and starting salary for full time management of retail shops is more than £30k

The manager is feeding the Op bull shit. And the op is falling for it and spending way too much time thinking and worrying about it

kellymoon44 · 18/06/2026 13:38

letmebetheone · 18/06/2026 13:36

I work in a charity shop and we only open 10-4 and no Sundays because we cannot get enough volunteers.

Many people start and agree to doing certain days and hours and also agree to be flexible but they never are. We have one lady supposed to work friday 11-3. She comes at 11.15, goes to get something for dinner at 12 and we dont see her till 1pm! Her reason, 'Im a volunteer, I can come and go as I please, I dont get paid'.
We have a man who was taken on 9 weeks ago to do Thursday and Friday mornings. So far he has turned up on just 4 days.

Speaking to the retail team who do the recruitment just gets the reply 'We cant force people who are giving up their time for free'.

Out of a total of 17 there are a core of 6 of us who end up doing far more hours than we really want to and even with this we end up closing early at least once a week which annoys customers especially if they have brought donations.

Yeah you can't really force volunteers to do anything

Welldoya · 18/06/2026 13:37

@SorcererGaheris

This is getting a little… out of hand. You have posted about your manager and this charity shop volunteering role you have - multiple times.

I think you need to step away

letmebetheone · 18/06/2026 13:36

I work in a charity shop and we only open 10-4 and no Sundays because we cannot get enough volunteers.

Many people start and agree to doing certain days and hours and also agree to be flexible but they never are. We have one lady supposed to work friday 11-3. She comes at 11.15, goes to get something for dinner at 12 and we dont see her till 1pm! Her reason, 'Im a volunteer, I can come and go as I please, I dont get paid'.
We have a man who was taken on 9 weeks ago to do Thursday and Friday mornings. So far he has turned up on just 4 days.

Speaking to the retail team who do the recruitment just gets the reply 'We cant force people who are giving up their time for free'.

Out of a total of 17 there are a core of 6 of us who end up doing far more hours than we really want to and even with this we end up closing early at least once a week which annoys customers especially if they have brought donations.

kellymoon44 · 18/06/2026 13:35

We should name and shame these charities. Your friend in a paid role is probably too scared to stand up to them. Maybe the volunteers could stand up to the charity for her?

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 13:30

kellymoon44 · 18/06/2026 13:23

It's illegal. By law she is entitled to one day off per week or two days off per fortnight,

Just to say, this exact same thing happened to my friend who was a charity shop manager. She was asked to come in every Sunday. She killed herself. I will never forget it, ever. Her mum did a news article shaming the charity. I must find the link

@kellymoon44

Gosh, that's horrendous. I'm so sorry for your loss.

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kellymoon44 · 18/06/2026 13:25

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/my-daughter-took-her-life-after-being-broken-by-oxfam-devastated-mum-speaks-out/a/136071885.html

Here is the link. My friend , a charity shop manager killed herself after going through the same thing. Oxfam was the charity she was working for.

Edit, I see you have to pay to access that link now. It used to be free

In the article it says that she used to get one day off. Then she was pressured to work every Sunday, and she also wasn't allowed to be friends with volunteers. She threw herself in a river

kellymoon44 · 18/06/2026 13:23

It's illegal. By law she is entitled to one day off per week or two days off per fortnight,

Just to say, this exact same thing happened to my friend who was a charity shop manager. She was asked to come in every Sunday. She killed herself. I will never forget it, ever. Her mum did a news article shaming the charity. I must find the link

Schoolchoicesucks · 18/06/2026 13:17

If there always need to be 2 people to open the shop then there need to be enough paid people to cover those hours. With volunteers supporting and not working as unpaid employees.
If the organisation can't or won't fund that, then the flex has to come from the opening hours. Not from pressuring volunteers to provide more hours then they are willing or able to donate, not through pressuring paid employees to work additional hours or change working hours around at shorter notice and to detriment of their home lives and not through unsafe lone working.

ShanghaiDiva · 18/06/2026 12:59

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 12:22

@MyrtleLion

Precisely, which is why I think that managing a charity shop can in some respects be a more challenging role than managing a "regular" shop.

Definitely more challenging!

ShanghaiDiva · 18/06/2026 12:58

banmusk · 18/06/2026 11:43

What kind of a mug would work for free in a business where other people are getting paid for the same thing?

Me. I’ve been a volunteer for six years. I don’t consider myself a mug.

JLou08 · 18/06/2026 12:58

Surely a paid member of staff should be picking up a Sunday anyway. When there are only 2 paid staff members they shouldn't both be having the same day off every week.

Periperinotsospicy · 18/06/2026 12:48

The manager needs to speak to HR. She should not be working more than contracted hours unless she has signed a increased work ling hoursbagreemenet (in which case it is illegal for them not to pay her) or she is officially volunteering. In which case that Sunday would have to be worked as if she were a volunteer.

Some regional managers are a bit too power crazed and believe they can ask more of their staff than they actually can.

There is no way they will fire a manager who says no. I hope shes a member of the union. They have a lot of power in Oxfam.

latetothefisting · 18/06/2026 12:40

LaliqueSaltGrinder · 18/06/2026 08:49

This is really common. Round here the charity shops are open 9-5 Monday to Saturday and 10-4 on a Sunday. So that's 54 hours a week.

Manager will be employed for 35 or 37.5 hours a week. Deputy if there is one, anything between 8 and 12. So there are still times that there is no paid staff at all. The last shop I volunteered in had no paid staff at all, it was entirely volunteer led.

What the charity should be doing in the OP's position is to support the manager in recruiting more volunteers and providing experienced volunteers with training in cashing up and opening/closing procedures so that they can take on those reponsibilities if they wish to do so.

but why on earth would you? I mean fair play to all the volunteers who do, but I wouldn't! that's an awful lot of responsibility for no pay.

OP it seems like there are a few different things going on. Yes it's unreasonable for the charity to overall expect so much of both their paid staff and volunteers, and particularly crap when charities behave like this. However, ultimately the only person who can change this is your manager. Her not feeling she can get another job is up to her. Personally I can't imagine that many people would be rushing to earn a pittance and work 7 days a week.

As pp's have suggested there probably are ways the rota could be worked more effectively. Personally I would suggest the shop closes on a Monday or different quieter day if there are just not enough bodies to staff it and Sundays are more profitable, but ultimately only your manager can make the decision on how many hours she is willing to work. If she put her foot down and didn't come in on a Sunday, the shop would have to close. What would the charity ultimately be able to do about it? She'd probably have an excellent case for unfair dismissal if they sacked her, as they are essentially asking her to go over and above her contract and possibly relevant legislation like the WTD if she isn't getting sufficient time off. But only she can decide what to do about it.

Pessismistic · 18/06/2026 12:34

Op They are unfair but the managers need to look at there working hours people seem to think if your salaried you are expected to work additional hours for free but there is still a working regulation if they are on 50k and working 60 hours then the salary isn’t as good as they think if they work Sunday they need others in during the week to cover the shop so they can have a day off in the week which they are legally entitled to. Oxfam are getting greedy they open shops the prices aren’t even cheap compared to the past they forget that items are given to them for free but still expect to make loads of money.

Secretseverywhere · 18/06/2026 12:31

katepilar · 18/06/2026 10:16

Interesting to read for me. Where I am from /Europe/ lots of shops only have one member of staff/owner working. They close for ther lunch break or to run errands. They wouldnt be able to run at all if they had to have two people or manager on site at all times.

Is this a usual set up in the UK what OP describes?

I think this requiring two members is unique to charity/ voluntary sector sector, possibly for insurance, possibly to protect volunteers from allegations of theft or inappropriate behaviour type stuff.

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 12:25

user9764325677 · 18/06/2026 12:23

The oxfam bookshop where I live is never open on Sundays. Odd that they have different expectations in different places

@user9764325677

It seems to be pretty normal - not all Oxfam shops are 100% uniform and operate in exactly the same way. Some Oxfams have higher prices than others (I realise that Oxfam as a whole is often perceived pricey in general, just saying that some shops might have a higher/lower minimum price than others.)

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SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 12:23

banmusk · 18/06/2026 12:14

All that goes without saying; if you're not getting paid then the person or organisation that you're working for has absolutely no leverage over you!

@banmusk

Yes - my point is that the freedom and leeway is attractive and part of the reason that some people choose to volunteer.

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user9764325677 · 18/06/2026 12:23

The oxfam bookshop where I live is never open on Sundays. Odd that they have different expectations in different places

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 12:22

MyrtleLion · 18/06/2026 12:14

This is the difficulty with using volunteers, they don’t have to volunteer if it doesn’t suit them.

The Working Time Directive might apply. There’s something about not working more than a set number of days in a row. Also if the additional hours without pay take her total pay below minimum wage per hour, they can’t do that.

@MyrtleLion

Precisely, which is why I think that managing a charity shop can in some respects be a more challenging role than managing a "regular" shop.

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Ineffable23 · 18/06/2026 12:15

I'm pretty sure this is in breach of the working time directive and not a bit they can opt out of:

https://www.gov.uk/rest-breaks-work

Uninterrupted 24 hours once per week or an uninterrupted 48 hours once per fortnight.

The manager might not want to have a fight but the law is on their side if they do want to.

Rest breaks at work

Workers' rights to rest breaks at work - length of breaks, how your age affects rest breaks, exceptions to the rules for shift workers, young people, and drivers.

https://www.gov.uk/rest-breaks-work

banmusk · 18/06/2026 12:14

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 12:08

@banmusk

I don't think that's a universal experience. I work for free in this shop, through choice, and I don't feel that I'm treated as though I'm worth nothing.

The benefits of volunteering (working for free) is that it can be done on your own terms and there's a lot of freedom and leeway that you don't get if you're in a paid role. Volunteers can take as much time off as they want, for any reason.

Years back, we used to have a volunteer who took at least two months off during the summer, as she was holidaying in France then.

All that goes without saying; if you're not getting paid then the person or organisation that you're working for has absolutely no leverage over you!

MyrtleLion · 18/06/2026 12:14

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 12:08

@banmusk

I don't think that's a universal experience. I work for free in this shop, through choice, and I don't feel that I'm treated as though I'm worth nothing.

The benefits of volunteering (working for free) is that it can be done on your own terms and there's a lot of freedom and leeway that you don't get if you're in a paid role. Volunteers can take as much time off as they want, for any reason.

Years back, we used to have a volunteer who took at least two months off during the summer, as she was holidaying in France then.

This is the difficulty with using volunteers, they don’t have to volunteer if it doesn’t suit them.

The Working Time Directive might apply. There’s something about not working more than a set number of days in a row. Also if the additional hours without pay take her total pay below minimum wage per hour, they can’t do that.

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 12:08

banmusk · 18/06/2026 12:05

I would have done the same.
Unfortunately if you work for free that allows people to think that you are worth nothing, and then treat you as if you are worth nothing.
I'm going off topic here but this is also part of the reason that men are able to subordinate women, ie women typically do the unpaid work and that makes it easier to treat them as if they are worthless.

@banmusk

I don't think that's a universal experience. I work for free in this shop, through choice, and I don't feel that I'm treated as though I'm worth nothing.

The benefits of volunteering (working for free) is that it can be done on your own terms and there's a lot of freedom and leeway that you don't get if you're in a paid role. Volunteers can take as much time off as they want, for any reason.

Years back, we used to have a volunteer who took at least two months off during the summer, as she was holidaying in France then.

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banmusk · 18/06/2026 12:05

oncemoreuntothebeachdearfriends · 18/06/2026 12:02

I volunteered once, never again.
I was interviewed by one person & told what I would be doing.
When I arrived, the Manager told me to clean the toilets.
I don't clean my own toilets, I walked out.

I would have done the same.
Unfortunately if you work for free that allows people to think that you are worth nothing, and then treat you as if you are worth nothing.
I'm going off topic here but this is also part of the reason that men are able to subordinate women, ie women typically do the unpaid work and that makes it easier to treat them as if they are worthless.