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AIBU to think these expectations of a charity shop manager are unfair?

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SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 07:55

In the last year or so, the charity associated with the shop I volunteer in has become much more stringent on the issue of the shop remaining open all the time, even when staff shortages make this difficult or impossible without our manager giving up her time off to come in and cover without extra pay.

Our shop has a paid (FT) manager and a paid (PT) deputy manager. The rest of the staff are all volunteers.

Neither of the managers work on the Sunday, so the shop is staffed entirely by volunteers on that day. It's the only full day off that our manager gets, as her working hours cover the other six days.

In the past, if not enough of the Sunday volunteers could come, the shop just wouldn't open that time. But according to what our manager says, she is now being told that if a suitable number of the volunteers cannot show up on Sunday, she needs to come in herself to provide cover, if other members of staff can't/won't. The (non-Sunday) volunteers are usually unable or unwilling to work on a Sunday, so it ends up falling to our manager.

This Sunday, for example - two of the (four Sunday) volunteers are unable to be there. I can be there, but our fourth Sunday volunteer does not arrive until between 1-1.30 pm. The shop opens shortly after 11 and health and safety rules dictate that staff are not allowed to be alone in the shop when it's open to the public. The manager has been told that she is expected to come in and cover.

I am 100% sure that she will not be paid for these additional hours; from what has been said, it's typically expected that additional cover is done unpaid. I think the charity works around it by offering time off in lieu, so as not to be in conflict with the law, but due to the complexity of rota staffing when the majority of staff are volunteers (and thus can have as much time off as they want, for any reason) I think our manager finds it quite tricky to take all of her leave.

If the above was just a one-off, I don't think it would matter, but whilst those of us who volunteer on Sunday do our best to be there as much as possible, there are times when other things conflict and take precedence. Last Sunday, I myself did not come in because my mother and I were looking after my nephews for the day. One of my colleagues has a partner with fragile health and she sometimes has to arrange for him to go to the hospital at short notice. So there are times when, for a multitude of reasons, not enough of us can show up at the same time to ensure that the shop is adequately covered throughout the day.

In the past, it was just accepted that the shop would not open for that day if enough of us could not make it. But like I say, in recent times, the charity has become less understanding/tolerant of this and are more or less insisting that our manager come in to provide the cover instead.

My view is that - given the majority of staff are volunteers, with the freedom to have time off whenever - that expecting the shop to always remain open isn't realistic or fair. We're not a 'typical' retail business in that respect, because most of us are unpaid.

Considering that the only day off our manager gets is the Sunday, I think it is unfair to expect/demand that she always cover, especially for no pay.

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1weekinjuy · 18/06/2026 20:15

You want to volunteer for a charity @SorcererGaheris , which is admirable.

So why not do it for a charity you actually respect? Evidently you don’t at all respect this one

GoodLife26 · 18/06/2026 19:18

In my experience charities can be mercenary and treat people badly. You are a volunteer you shouldn’t feel guilty not to want to go in on a Sunday. Your manager needs to find a new job if they treat her so badly.

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 18:54

Agapornis · 18/06/2026 18:19

I think you've misunderstood @ilovemybluesharpie's paragraph saying "The Charity is breaking NMW laws if they are not paying her for the hours that she works if she is not getting enough TOIL".

It isn't about a single Sunday. It's about the average across whole year (especially if taking annual leave and TOIL is difficult). If across the year the wage divided by hours is less than minimum wage, they could get in trouble with HMRC.

Btw do you want to help or advise her, or only discuss it here? Because she clearly has been abandoned and it sounds like she's feeling quite lost, and could do with some advice. Please tell her to call ACAS.

@Agapornis

I wasn't planning on giving her any advice. I simply find it interesting to discuss; myself and another shop colleague sometimes talk about it between us.

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Diamond7272 · 18/06/2026 18:34

OonaStubbs · 18/06/2026 17:25

I think charity shops have passed their sell by date. People are well aware that hardly any of the money they make actually goes to needy people, they charge high prices for the donated goods they sell, they take advantage of their volunteers and low-paid staff, , while the Greedy Executives rake it in. And that's not even mentioning all the sex crimes.

True.

Can you imagine the sex crimes scandals if oxfam paired with the church of England or catholic church...? It would be never ending...

All the donations and income would go on lawyers to pay for more cover ups...

Indeed today, the best job in any charity is not CEO, it's the lawyers representing the board and company who can name their price when it hits the fan. Then, overtime is paid!!! (and money is 'found' by the CEO.. 😬

Inmyuggs · 18/06/2026 18:21

A new pool of volunteers.
Back up people who can be called if need be who already help ?
The manager needs to delegate the part timer to work sundays or alternate them

Agapornis · 18/06/2026 18:19

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 14:25

@ilovemybluesharpie

I should probably reiterate that this isn't a problem for Sundays across the board. There is a team of four volunteers (me included) who do the Sunday. It's just that there are occasions when two or more of us are unable to come in, or are taking the day off.

For this coming Sunday, for example, I am going in, but two of my colleagues are unable to attend. The fourth volunteer does not arrive until at 2 hours after we open, which means that my manager will have to come in to cover that first part, as we are not allowed to open the shop with only one staff member there.

I think you've misunderstood @ilovemybluesharpie's paragraph saying "The Charity is breaking NMW laws if they are not paying her for the hours that she works if she is not getting enough TOIL".

It isn't about a single Sunday. It's about the average across whole year (especially if taking annual leave and TOIL is difficult). If across the year the wage divided by hours is less than minimum wage, they could get in trouble with HMRC.

Btw do you want to help or advise her, or only discuss it here? Because she clearly has been abandoned and it sounds like she's feeling quite lost, and could do with some advice. Please tell her to call ACAS.

ShanghaiDiva · 18/06/2026 18:01

OonaStubbs · 18/06/2026 17:50

"Research" is very vague. How much of that goes to the senior management in "research" and how much to the workers? How much good is done as a result of this "research".

All of the information is in the public domain. Read for yourself…
https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/annual-report

Annual Report and Accounts 2025

This year, we raised £181m to fund lifesaving research and support for people living affected by cardiovascular diseases. Read our Annual Report 2025.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/annual-report

LaliqueSaltGrinder · 18/06/2026 17:55

OonaStubbs · 18/06/2026 17:50

"Research" is very vague. How much of that goes to the senior management in "research" and how much to the workers? How much good is done as a result of this "research".

I'm sure if you went on the charity commission website, or the BHF website, then you could pore through the accounts to your heart's content.

People regularly come out with stuff about how only 1p in the pound actually goes to the cause and 99p in "fat cat salaries" but if they actually bothered to look into the detail, they'd see that's not true.

LaliqueSaltGrinder · 18/06/2026 17:52

It depends on the charity shop and the volunteers. I used to volunteer for Oxfam, stopped about 3 years ago. The manager when I started was very good and totally believed in empowering volunteers. There were some volunteers who had been there for 10 years or more, and many of us were allowed to open up the shop, lock up at night, do the cashing up, process refunds and the other "manager" parts of the job. The manager knew who was able and who wasn't. It meant that when she was off on annual leave (she did not have a deputy at that point) she knew the shop would keep running. We had an area manager on call, a list of all the other local shops and their numbers on the noticeboard in the office, and store support at head office on the other end of the phone. Many of the volunteers were just as able, experienced and intelligent as the paid manager, they were just volunteering.

When I volunteered for Save The Children, there was no paid member of staff at all. There were 2 or 3 lead volunteers who would do things like the banking, H&S training for new volunteers and volunteer recruitment, but it was a very democratic set up and again, most of the volunteers were very able and smart, just not in paid full-time work for whatever reason. Shops can run very well without a paid member of staff. Also agree with what @SorcererGaheris says about wages, they are very low, Oxfam and Save the Children don't even offer things like staff discount which is standard in retail. And a lot more responsibility.

Regional managers - in Oxfam at least - are very hot on targets, performance against same week last year, year to date, by category. If you're in a store where as a manager you are struggling to hit target of course you're going to feel the pressure to open on a Sunday because that's more trading hours. All the charity shops round here (except the Salvation Army) are open on Sunday. Also recognise the issue with not being able to take TOIL.

OonaStubbs · 18/06/2026 17:50

ShanghaiDiva · 18/06/2026 17:47

72p of every £ at BHF goes towards research. I have volunteered with them for six years and don’t feel taken advantage of.
https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/where-your-money-goes

"Research" is very vague. How much of that goes to the senior management in "research" and how much to the workers? How much good is done as a result of this "research".

ShanghaiDiva · 18/06/2026 17:47

OonaStubbs · 18/06/2026 17:25

I think charity shops have passed their sell by date. People are well aware that hardly any of the money they make actually goes to needy people, they charge high prices for the donated goods they sell, they take advantage of their volunteers and low-paid staff, , while the Greedy Executives rake it in. And that's not even mentioning all the sex crimes.

72p of every £ at BHF goes towards research. I have volunteered with them for six years and don’t feel taken advantage of.
https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/where-your-money-goes

Where your money goes

Of every pound donated in 2024/25, 72p went directly to beat cardiovascular disease.

https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/where-your-money-goes

OonaStubbs · 18/06/2026 17:25

I think charity shops have passed their sell by date. People are well aware that hardly any of the money they make actually goes to needy people, they charge high prices for the donated goods they sell, they take advantage of their volunteers and low-paid staff, , while the Greedy Executives rake it in. And that's not even mentioning all the sex crimes.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 18/06/2026 17:11

I'm surprised volunteers are allowed to be there without paid staff. Where I volunteer has decided to open on Sundays but the manager or the deputy has to be there. The manager still only works five days though. On most Sundays she's on her own so has asked for volunteers to go in for an hour so she can have a lunch break.
The well being of the staff seems to be bottom of the list for the company/ charity.

Mousespoons · 18/06/2026 17:10

kellymoon44 · 18/06/2026 13:42

My friend also worked for Oxfam as a manager. She WAS told that she needed to come in on sundays. So she had no days off.

This DOES happen in Oxfam

Definitely happening to my friend (also near retirement age so doesn’t want to rock the boat)

ClayPotaLot · 18/06/2026 17:03

I think she is making some effort to try to recruit an additional volunteer or two for Sundays, but in my experience, that's a tough day to get people to agree to volunteer on.

So volunteers definitely are her responsibility? To be honest, she just doesn't sound very good at her job. I get there may also be some corporate issues that make her job harder than it could be but from things you've posted about her in the past, she does really poorly at the volunteer aspect and that's a critical part of running a shop that relies on volunteers properly.

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 15:40

Rachelshair · 18/06/2026 14:57

Can she get another manager from another shop to cover?
Alternate Sundays with the deputy manager? Get another volunteer for Sundays?
Ask the area manager to cover?
Close the shop regardless of being told off? Take TOIL on a weekday to make up for the Sunday?
Bring a grievance against her employer? Make a working time regulations or minimum wage complaint to the LA if she's forced to work too much or for under minimum wage?
Lots of options if the current setup no longer works for the organisation who now want them to stay open on a Sunday.

@Rachelshair

She could try asking those things, but I'm not sure if they are feasible in practice.

It's not the responsibility of other shop managers nearby (who themselves are probably working full-time) to help cover at our shop, so while she could well ask, the response would probably be no.

Same with the area manager - it's not the area manager's duty and they would probably not do it.

Alternate Sundays with the deputy manager?

That is something that I agree they could try - I don't know if they will, as I think they both prefer to have Sundays as a day off.

Close the shop regardless of being told off?

It's clear the manager finds being told off to be unpleasant and wants to avoid it that, so she's under pressure to keep the shop open.

Take TOIL on a weekday to make up for the Sunday?

That can be difficult to do in practice, as it requires rescheduling the working hours of not just the deputy manager but also other volunteers, and that's not necessarily possible.

My perception is that our manager is not very good at standing up for herself/advocating for herself to her superiors. Some of the suggestions in this thread make sense to pursue - I'm not sure if I can see our manager doing them.

I think she is making some effort to try to recruit an additional volunteer or two for Sundays, but in my experience, that's a tough day to get people to agree to volunteer on.

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SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 15:31

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Yes - I maintain there is nothing wrong with that.

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ClayPotaLot · 18/06/2026 15:25

YoBetty · 18/06/2026 15:03

Well there you are then - Bingo.

Religion is a protected characteristic and she goes to church. By law, they cannot force her to work on Sundays. That's all she needs to tell them.

The equality act does not give you a right to a particular day off for religious reasons if it means genuine operational difficulties for the workplace. A workplace would need to try to accommodate the request, but if it is not possible without being detrimental to the business (like having to close sometimes) it does not have to.

However, retail workers have a right to refuse Sunday working without needing a reason unless they've been hired on a Sunday only contract. So niether she nor the deputy manager could be "forced".

But the manager's problem seems to be that she is responsible for ensuring Sunday coverage. She's working Sundays because she's failing to do that, not because she's contracted to. So if she opts out she still has the issue of needing to ensure the store is open.

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YoBetty · 18/06/2026 15:03

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 11:31

I take people's points about a solution being for the managers to rearrange their working hours so that one of them works on a Sunday. The manager may end up having to attempt that.

It's my personal perception that both managers would rather not be rota'd to work on Sundays if possible. The manager attends church and would like to go as much as possible. I think the deputy manager would prefer not to work Sundays and after so many years of having Sunday as a day off, may be reluctant to change which days her hours fall upon.

Bit it might end up being something they need to consider, if not end up outright doing - perhaps alternately sharing Sundays, as someone suggested. It remains to be seen, I suppose.

Well there you are then - Bingo.

Religion is a protected characteristic and she goes to church. By law, they cannot force her to work on Sundays. That's all she needs to tell them.

WhereverIlaymycatthatsmyhome · 18/06/2026 15:01

Have you posted about this shitshow before? It sounds familiar

Rachelshair · 18/06/2026 14:57

Can she get another manager from another shop to cover?
Alternate Sundays with the deputy manager? Get another volunteer for Sundays?
Ask the area manager to cover?
Close the shop regardless of being told off? Take TOIL on a weekday to make up for the Sunday?
Bring a grievance against her employer? Make a working time regulations or minimum wage complaint to the LA if she's forced to work too much or for under minimum wage?
Lots of options if the current setup no longer works for the organisation who now want them to stay open on a Sunday.

ClayPotaLot · 18/06/2026 14:57

It does sound like there may be a breach of employment regulations - with statutory rest breaks or potentially minimum wage, but also like she may not be telling her employer how she's covering everything because then she'd be worried about being fired for capability since it sounds like it's her job to manage resources to ensure coverage, not actually to do it herself and that's what she's failing to manage. So I don't think the responsibilities are necessarily that unreasonable, depending on how much authority the manager has over the resources.

It sounds like there is a need for better volunteer management - the shop obviously doesn't have enough volunteers who are committed enough. Better volunteer management should mean there aren't days when the needed number of volunteers aren't there. so if that's part of her remit and not something that head office manage, then it seems likely it's less that the expectations are too much and more that she just isn't up to the job. The manager does sound pretty poor at volunteer engagement from this and your other threads (moaning to your volunteers about your job is pretty high up there on how not to manage volunteers).

Also it seems poor to have 1.5 fte and not have them cover every day of the week between them. There may be a reason for this that is the manager's responsibility, like the manager agreeing to a change to days to please either herself or the deputy manager when it would have been more appropriate to insist on Sunday being a contracted day. Or it may be down to the employer advertising jobs this way so they can claim they don't insist on Sunday working or something. Hard to know.

But, you have previously posted about the shop not actually being safe to work in and that affecting volunteer engagement, and if that's what's really driving this and the manager doesn't have influence over the refuse collection/donations accepted, then that's very unreasonable of the employers.

Whoopiedooo · 18/06/2026 14:47

I used to shop at charity shops a lot, but the clothes aren't good any more, and I'd not want to be paying the outrageous salaries of the fat cats at the top whose only skills are marketing and ripping of the people further down the hierarchy.

I'm not at all surprised that those giving their time are horribly treated. Look at what they do to the apparent recipients (oxfam, Save the Children, MSF, I'm looking at you).