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AIBU to think these expectations of a charity shop manager are unfair?

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SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 07:55

In the last year or so, the charity associated with the shop I volunteer in has become much more stringent on the issue of the shop remaining open all the time, even when staff shortages make this difficult or impossible without our manager giving up her time off to come in and cover without extra pay.

Our shop has a paid (FT) manager and a paid (PT) deputy manager. The rest of the staff are all volunteers.

Neither of the managers work on the Sunday, so the shop is staffed entirely by volunteers on that day. It's the only full day off that our manager gets, as her working hours cover the other six days.

In the past, if not enough of the Sunday volunteers could come, the shop just wouldn't open that time. But according to what our manager says, she is now being told that if a suitable number of the volunteers cannot show up on Sunday, she needs to come in herself to provide cover, if other members of staff can't/won't. The (non-Sunday) volunteers are usually unable or unwilling to work on a Sunday, so it ends up falling to our manager.

This Sunday, for example - two of the (four Sunday) volunteers are unable to be there. I can be there, but our fourth Sunday volunteer does not arrive until between 1-1.30 pm. The shop opens shortly after 11 and health and safety rules dictate that staff are not allowed to be alone in the shop when it's open to the public. The manager has been told that she is expected to come in and cover.

I am 100% sure that she will not be paid for these additional hours; from what has been said, it's typically expected that additional cover is done unpaid. I think the charity works around it by offering time off in lieu, so as not to be in conflict with the law, but due to the complexity of rota staffing when the majority of staff are volunteers (and thus can have as much time off as they want, for any reason) I think our manager finds it quite tricky to take all of her leave.

If the above was just a one-off, I don't think it would matter, but whilst those of us who volunteer on Sunday do our best to be there as much as possible, there are times when other things conflict and take precedence. Last Sunday, I myself did not come in because my mother and I were looking after my nephews for the day. One of my colleagues has a partner with fragile health and she sometimes has to arrange for him to go to the hospital at short notice. So there are times when, for a multitude of reasons, not enough of us can show up at the same time to ensure that the shop is adequately covered throughout the day.

In the past, it was just accepted that the shop would not open for that day if enough of us could not make it. But like I say, in recent times, the charity has become less understanding/tolerant of this and are more or less insisting that our manager come in to provide the cover instead.

My view is that - given the majority of staff are volunteers, with the freedom to have time off whenever - that expecting the shop to always remain open isn't realistic or fair. We're not a 'typical' retail business in that respect, because most of us are unpaid.

Considering that the only day off our manager gets is the Sunday, I think it is unfair to expect/demand that she always cover, especially for no pay.

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ViciousCurrentBun · 19/06/2026 18:01

@Elbreth exactly that people that were incapable of making good decisions because they were high on drugs. It was a food project run by a church. We fed up to 90 people a session and though their heart was trying to be helpful by letting some of the addicts help it just wasn’t a good idea seeing some of the things they did.

SorcererGaheris · 19/06/2026 10:57

1weekinjuy · 18/06/2026 21:08

Ok, crack on volunteering at a charity you have zero respect for and seem quite determined for mumsnetter to follow suit (7 threads about how shite Oxfam is. 7!) and enjoy the “fun”!

@1weekinjuy

In an earlier comment, you said to me "each to their own."

It doesn't seem like that's borne out here, though (putting the word "fun" in quotation marks makes it come across as sarcastic.) You're not coming across to me as someone who is very understanding of the fact that humans are diverse and sometimes find things to be enjoyable that you don't.

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SorcererGaheris · 19/06/2026 10:29

GeminiGiggles · 19/06/2026 10:19

Yes, I think some have a vision of a "cute" little job opening up a shop and having tea and biscuits with the ladies whilst the reality is vastly different.

What I would say in regards to recruiting more volunteers is it sounds simple but can actually be quite complex. Especially when you are looking for people to in effect run the shop without management present (as first choice).

As general rule someone with the skills required (think co-ordination of volunteers that day, cashing up, level headed in a "crisis", key holder, conflict management, knowledge of the different elements covered that day etc) is already making use of those skills being paid elsewhere.

Sundays in particular are often still family days to people of a volunteering disposition.

Also much like employment say someone has reasonable adjustments made to allow them to contribute, that information can't easily, if at all, be shared with other volunteers it's just quietly managed by those who can and do know. (Eg we often had people in various stages of recovery, or returning to society after a sentence and try to beef up their cv's for employment.)

The best thing she could do is some online advertising (Facebook or similar) specifying that's it's Sunday cover that is required and see what comes up.

@GeminiGiggles

Sundays in particular are often still family days to people of a volunteering disposition.

And in our specific case, we do have a team of volunteers who work the Sundays (one being me.) So the shop is already regularly open on Sundays. It's just that sometimes several of us are taking time off at the same time, or are unable to come in for other reasons.

It used to be that on such occasions, the shop just wouldn't open, but now higher management is insisting that the shop not be allowed to close in such circumstances. I understand wanting a shop to be open as much as possible, but I personally feel they are not taking into account the fact that people have lives outside of the shop - including the manager.

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GeminiGiggles · 19/06/2026 10:19

Yes, I think some have a vision of a "cute" little job opening up a shop and having tea and biscuits with the ladies whilst the reality is vastly different.

What I would say in regards to recruiting more volunteers is it sounds simple but can actually be quite complex. Especially when you are looking for people to in effect run the shop without management present (as first choice).

As general rule someone with the skills required (think co-ordination of volunteers that day, cashing up, level headed in a "crisis", key holder, conflict management, knowledge of the different elements covered that day etc) is already making use of those skills being paid elsewhere.

Sundays in particular are often still family days to people of a volunteering disposition.

Also much like employment say someone has reasonable adjustments made to allow them to contribute, that information can't easily, if at all, be shared with other volunteers it's just quietly managed by those who can and do know. (Eg we often had people in various stages of recovery, or returning to society after a sentence and try to beef up their cv's for employment.)

The best thing she could do is some online advertising (Facebook or similar) specifying that's it's Sunday cover that is required and see what comes up.

SorcererGaheris · 19/06/2026 09:53

ClayPotaLot · 18/06/2026 17:03

I think she is making some effort to try to recruit an additional volunteer or two for Sundays, but in my experience, that's a tough day to get people to agree to volunteer on.

So volunteers definitely are her responsibility? To be honest, she just doesn't sound very good at her job. I get there may also be some corporate issues that make her job harder than it could be but from things you've posted about her in the past, she does really poorly at the volunteer aspect and that's a critical part of running a shop that relies on volunteers properly.

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@ClayPotaLot

Recruiting volunteers specifically for the shop is her responsibility, yes.

What you say may be true to an extent. There are parts of the job that she perhaps isn't very good at. I do think that in recent years, her job has become more complex and demanding in the last few years - so it's got more difficult than when she first got the role.

It's also my overall perception (which is shared with other members of staff) that those above don't have much idea of the day-to-day realities of the workings of a shop.

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SorcererGaheris · 19/06/2026 09:45

GeminiGiggles · 19/06/2026 07:33

Interesting how nothing has changed since I was DSM and then SM some 15yrs or so ago!

This is the job and how it's also been. They want the shops to compete commercially and the people that open it to act voluntarily.

The only way around appeasing the area managers want for Sunday openings is to either split the DSM and SM's hours to cover all days of the week or get more volunteers in for Sunday's specifically.

If he's still with the company I bet I could tell you which area and or area manager it is 🤣

And don't get me started on TOIL... when I started the manager I worked with was owed more days than my life amounted to at that point!

@GeminiGiggles

My perception has been that the role had become even more demanding in recent times, but perhaps there has always been an element of high pressure and high expectations.

It's good (well, not good, really, but you know what I mean) to see people with experience of this come in to back up what I'm saying. It makes me feel vindicated in my perception that this is something that (in general) happens across the board. Perhaps not in every single individual case, but often enough.

There has been scepticism in this thread (perhaps some understandably so) because I think perhaps some people have the assumption that managing a charity shop is a fairly laid-back job. That may have been the case a few decades ago, but it doesn't seem to be now.

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ShanghaiDiva · 19/06/2026 08:58

OonaStubbs · 18/06/2026 21:02

Wouldn't the volunteers being doing more good if they got a paid job and donating their earnings to charity?

You have spectacularly misunderstood why people volunteer.

PicaK · 19/06/2026 07:38

I'm of the view that she's being paid to manage and part of that management would be recruiting sufficient volunteers. If she's suffering because she hasn't I've not got that much sympathy.

GeminiGiggles · 19/06/2026 07:33

Interesting how nothing has changed since I was DSM and then SM some 15yrs or so ago!

This is the job and how it's also been. They want the shops to compete commercially and the people that open it to act voluntarily.

The only way around appeasing the area managers want for Sunday openings is to either split the DSM and SM's hours to cover all days of the week or get more volunteers in for Sunday's specifically.

If he's still with the company I bet I could tell you which area and or area manager it is 🤣

And don't get me started on TOIL... when I started the manager I worked with was owed more days than my life amounted to at that point!

MinnieM101 · 19/06/2026 06:48

The managers should alternate who will cover a Sunday

MyMiniMetro · 18/06/2026 22:50

The most awful working practices and toxic environments I’ve ever been subjected to were while working for large famous charities.

The third sector senior management really does attract some nasty kunts who couldn’t hack it it the corporate world. They pretend their step down to Regional Head of xyz charity out in the sticks, was was a conscious altruistic choice. When it was actually the result of desperation, applying anywhere seemingly gullible enough to be impressed by mentions of working “in the city.”

Northernlights19 · 18/06/2026 22:49

That is something that I agree they could try - I don't know if they will, as I think they both prefer to have Sundays as a day off. Well it's retail so why were they expecting to have Sundays off?! I used to work in retail many moons ago. I now work I'm care and in both roles you are required to work every other weekend. I also go to church so I go every other Sunday as many others do.

They should be doing every other weekend (obviously opposite to each other) and if they aren't prepared to do that they ought to consider a job change.

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 21:18

OonaStubbs · 18/06/2026 21:02

Wouldn't the volunteers being doing more good if they got a paid job and donating their earnings to charity?

Many volunteers are retired, so their days of having a paid job are rightly behind them.

Some volunteers like the freedom of having an unpaid voluntary role, there's a lot more leeway and we can do things on our terms.

Volunteers don't all necessarily volunteer in order to "do good". That's certainly not the reason that I volunteer there.

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ClaredeBear · 18/06/2026 21:16

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 20:36

I've explained that. I volunteer there because I have fun there.

I don't volunteer there because of any regard for the charity itself or any interest in the cause.

I volunteer there solely for hedonistic purposes, in order to have a good time.

So I see no sense in stopping volunteering there when I'm enjoying myself. Just as I don't stop buying the products of companies that have been said to do unethical things.

You don’t need to explain yourself.

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 21:14

1weekinjuy · 18/06/2026 21:05

When you’re not volunteering, you’re complaint on mumsnet about the charity you volunteer at.

and that’s your version of fun and hedonism?

Yes, that is part of what I find fun and pleasurable and hedonistic. Watching my favourite TV shows is also what I consider fun and hedonistic. It is also fun (for me) to read about the occult and practice the occult.

There isn't a singular view of what is defined as fun, like I said, people differ. I find snooker to be very boring, but people think that is fun.

Just because you do not personally see how something can be enjoyable, does not mean that it is wrong or invalid for me to do it.

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1weekinjuy · 18/06/2026 21:08

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 21:05

@1weekinjuy

People differ in what they find fun. I think pricing books, looking them up online, stocking the shelves and chatting to some of my colleagues is fun.

"Hedonism" covers anything that anyone finds pleasurable. It doesn't solely refer to sex and drugs. I would say t

Ok, crack on volunteering at a charity you have zero respect for and seem quite determined for mumsnetter to follow suit (7 threads about how shite Oxfam is. 7!) and enjoy the “fun”!

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 21:05

1weekinjuy · 18/06/2026 20:41

Right. Ok. Doesn’t sound like much “fun” but if you are happy working for free for a
Charity that you don’t respect at all (and make it very well known on mumsnet!) - each to their own

But imagine volunteering for a charity that you have fun in, which scratches your hedonistic (hedonism and volunteering in a charity shop? Interesting!) that you DONT despise?!

@1weekinjuy

People differ in what they find fun. I think pricing books, looking them up online, stocking the shelves and chatting to some of my colleagues is fun.

"Hedonism" covers anything that anyone finds pleasurable. It doesn't solely refer to sex and drugs. I would say t

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1weekinjuy · 18/06/2026 21:05

When you’re not volunteering, you’re complaint on mumsnet about the charity you volunteer at.

and that’s your version of fun and hedonism?

OonaStubbs · 18/06/2026 21:02

Wouldn't the volunteers being doing more good if they got a paid job and donating their earnings to charity?

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 20:57

NewGirlInTown · 18/06/2026 20:40

Haven’t you subjected us to this diatribe before? Almost word for word, with a broken toilet for good measure?

Yes, I have spoken about the topic a few times before. My question is, what is the problem with that? It's not like I was just discussing it last week, there's been what I would say is a suitable lapse of time.

I'm not aware of any rule that topics must only be spoken about once. So I don't understand people's objection. If people aren't interested, they are perfectly capable of avoiding the thread.

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Feelblue · 18/06/2026 20:57

It depends on the person’s contract and hours and days set out in it. It may not be for the managers to sort out between them. They will have a line manager (or less likely different managers) who would be looking overall at the working hours. If neither is contracted to work on a Sunday an employer cannot unilaterally just change that without a change of terms and conditions. how does need to be careful if continuing to work and clearly stating objection then may be deemed to have

Also the fact it is a Sunday makes a difference. Even if the contract says they work Sundays then the manager can Opt out as they are a shop worker. However the employer doesn’t have to give them other hours to compensate

Sunday working

The rules for working on Sundays, opt in, opt out arrangements, rules for shop and betting shop workers

https://www.gov.uk/sunday-working

1weekinjuy · 18/06/2026 20:42

NewGirlInTown · 18/06/2026 20:40

Haven’t you subjected us to this diatribe before? Almost word for word, with a broken toilet for good measure?

Yep, @SorcererGaheris seems to spend her time when not volunteering at Oxfam, bitching about Oxfam!

1weekinjuy · 18/06/2026 20:41

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 20:36

I've explained that. I volunteer there because I have fun there.

I don't volunteer there because of any regard for the charity itself or any interest in the cause.

I volunteer there solely for hedonistic purposes, in order to have a good time.

So I see no sense in stopping volunteering there when I'm enjoying myself. Just as I don't stop buying the products of companies that have been said to do unethical things.

Right. Ok. Doesn’t sound like much “fun” but if you are happy working for free for a
Charity that you don’t respect at all (and make it very well known on mumsnet!) - each to their own

But imagine volunteering for a charity that you have fun in, which scratches your hedonistic (hedonism and volunteering in a charity shop? Interesting!) that you DONT despise?!

NewGirlInTown · 18/06/2026 20:40

Haven’t you subjected us to this diatribe before? Almost word for word, with a broken toilet for good measure?

SorcererGaheris · 18/06/2026 20:36

I've explained that. I volunteer there because I have fun there.

I don't volunteer there because of any regard for the charity itself or any interest in the cause.

I volunteer there solely for hedonistic purposes, in order to have a good time.

So I see no sense in stopping volunteering there when I'm enjoying myself. Just as I don't stop buying the products of companies that have been said to do unethical things.

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