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AIBU - Men should not be allowed to adopt or foster children unless they're with a woman. Safeguarding first.

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RedQuail4 · 17/06/2026 13:45

I know this will get the "bigot" and "not all men" brigade out in force, but can we please talk about actual child protection instead of feelings and equality checkboxes?

Children in care are already some of the most vulnerable kids in the country. They've often been abused, neglected, or come from chaotic backgrounds. The state has a duty to place them in the safest possible environment, not to use them as a social experiment for adult rights or to prove how progressive we are.

Look at the data on who harms children. The vast majority of serious physical and sexual abuse is committed by males. Single male households show higher risks in the statistics for child abuse, domestic violence exposure, and poorer outcomes in some studies. Women aren't perfect (far from it), but the biological and statistical reality is that men pose a higher risk, especially without a female partner in the home. A woman in the household often acts as a natural safeguard - someone who is more likely to notice, intervene, or report concerning behaviour.

We've seen too many tragic cases where single men (or gay men with access to children without proper oversight) have gone on to abuse fostered or adopted kids. Social services and adoption agencies are under huge pressure to find placements, so corners get cut and "inclusive" policies mean they bend over backwards to approve single men. The child's safety should trump everything.

Why are we gambling with kids who already lost the lottery once?

Adoption and fostering aren't a right for adults. They're not about giving men a purpose or validating lifestyles. They're about finding the most suitable, lowest-risk home for damaged children. A stable married couple (or at least a man with a woman in the home) should be the gold standard. Single women? Fine, the evidence supports they generally manage better. Single men? A male couple? No. The risk profile is different.

If a man wants to parent, he can find a wife first. Harsh? Maybe. But we're talking about other people's traumatised children, not virtue-signalling or men's feelings. Safeguarding isn't prejudice - it's pattern recognition.

This isn't about hating men. It's about not ignoring sex-based patterns in crime and abuse data when placing vulnerable kids. Same reason we don't put male staff in every girls' changing room. Thoughts? Am I being unreasonable?

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Worrying34 · 17/06/2026 14:47

RedQuail4 · 17/06/2026 13:53

I'm not labelling every man as a danger.

Very few men are.

But over 90% of sex and violent abuse is carried out by men.

Safeguarding relies on making judgements about risk.

Far and away the biggest sexual risk to a child is a male who is not related to them.

It's true the biggest risk factor for child abuse is a child living with an unrelated male.

But by your logic that would mean heterosexual couples shouldn't adopt or foster. And if a couple with children splits up then the woman can never have a new male partner move in until the children become adults.

Safeguarding and vigilance is important but you can't take it to extremes.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 17/06/2026 14:47

MeekSqueak · 17/06/2026 14:42

Rose West … Myra Hindley

Rose West was a victim of child sex abuse herself. She was having a sexual relationship with her father across her whole lifetime. Myra Hindley was indoctrinated into child abuse through her relationship with Ian Brady.

Northermcharn · 17/06/2026 14:46

Raven08 · 17/06/2026 14:45

The single biggest threat to children wrt safeguarding is having a step parent and/or being part of a blended family.
But no one wants to think about that too much 🤷‍♀️

Yes. That is true too.

TheHateUGive · 17/06/2026 14:46

nomas · 17/06/2026 14:42

It’s bullshit because you made it up, no one said that.

Well why would we allow men to be single parents or gay parents to their own child but not foster or adopt?

Or lets put it in even more bullshit terms.

A man and a woman adopt a child. When the child is 5, the woman dies. Do we put the adopted child back in the foster care system because now they only have an adoptive father?

Shall we destroy the child's entire security just so we can demonise all men? Would that make you happy?

Northermcharn · 17/06/2026 14:45

RedQuail4 · 17/06/2026 13:45

I know this will get the "bigot" and "not all men" brigade out in force, but can we please talk about actual child protection instead of feelings and equality checkboxes?

Children in care are already some of the most vulnerable kids in the country. They've often been abused, neglected, or come from chaotic backgrounds. The state has a duty to place them in the safest possible environment, not to use them as a social experiment for adult rights or to prove how progressive we are.

Look at the data on who harms children. The vast majority of serious physical and sexual abuse is committed by males. Single male households show higher risks in the statistics for child abuse, domestic violence exposure, and poorer outcomes in some studies. Women aren't perfect (far from it), but the biological and statistical reality is that men pose a higher risk, especially without a female partner in the home. A woman in the household often acts as a natural safeguard - someone who is more likely to notice, intervene, or report concerning behaviour.

We've seen too many tragic cases where single men (or gay men with access to children without proper oversight) have gone on to abuse fostered or adopted kids. Social services and adoption agencies are under huge pressure to find placements, so corners get cut and "inclusive" policies mean they bend over backwards to approve single men. The child's safety should trump everything.

Why are we gambling with kids who already lost the lottery once?

Adoption and fostering aren't a right for adults. They're not about giving men a purpose or validating lifestyles. They're about finding the most suitable, lowest-risk home for damaged children. A stable married couple (or at least a man with a woman in the home) should be the gold standard. Single women? Fine, the evidence supports they generally manage better. Single men? A male couple? No. The risk profile is different.

If a man wants to parent, he can find a wife first. Harsh? Maybe. But we're talking about other people's traumatised children, not virtue-signalling or men's feelings. Safeguarding isn't prejudice - it's pattern recognition.

This isn't about hating men. It's about not ignoring sex-based patterns in crime and abuse data when placing vulnerable kids. Same reason we don't put male staff in every girls' changing room. Thoughts? Am I being unreasonable?

YANBU. There are studies which show children born / adopted into 2 men parent families, are more likely to suffer sexual abuse.

People can wail about that being unfair or homophobic. It is not. It is factual information, available to anyone who wants to look.

Honeyhonay · 17/06/2026 14:45

RedQuail4 · 17/06/2026 14:40

According to AI, it's about 0.3%

It’s nowhere near as low as that on UK figures.

MyOliveStork · 17/06/2026 14:45

First of all a gay couple will be as loving and attentive, and make as wonderful parents as a heterosexual couple would.
Secondly, there aren’t enough couples to adopt children as it is.
Just because you are gay, single or older should not discount you from adopting. These children need to be loved and cared for by people wanting to become their parents.
How people like this particular couple got through and adopted, God only knows, but saying no gay couple has a right to adopt is utter rubbish and very insulting.

Honeyhonay · 17/06/2026 14:45

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 17/06/2026 14:39

Out of interest, I do just wonder - of all the people who are ever arrested for having child abuse images on their computers - what percentage of those are women?

It’s somewhere between 10-20% in England.

For adult perpetrators of child sexual abuse overall, males account for 82% to 90% of suspects.

www.vkpp.org.uk/vkpp-work/analytical-capability/national-analysis-of-police-recorded-child-sexual-abuse-and-exploitation-crimes-report-2/

Raven08 · 17/06/2026 14:45

The single biggest threat to children wrt safeguarding is having a step parent and/or being part of a blended family.
But no one wants to think about that too much 🤷‍♀️

JustSawJohnny · 17/06/2026 14:43

Absolutely not.

This is plain and simple homophobia.

Children are just as likely to be at risk of abuse with male-female parents.

nomas · 17/06/2026 14:43

MeekSqueak · 17/06/2026 14:42

Rose West … Myra Hindley

So rare you remember their names.

nomas · 17/06/2026 14:42

TheHateUGive · 17/06/2026 14:42

So if a man is with a woman and the woman dies, their child should go into foster care and find a new family?

Honestly the bullshit they allow on here is wild.

It’s bullshit because you made it up, no one said that.

MeekSqueak · 17/06/2026 14:42

RedQuail4 · 17/06/2026 13:45

I know this will get the "bigot" and "not all men" brigade out in force, but can we please talk about actual child protection instead of feelings and equality checkboxes?

Children in care are already some of the most vulnerable kids in the country. They've often been abused, neglected, or come from chaotic backgrounds. The state has a duty to place them in the safest possible environment, not to use them as a social experiment for adult rights or to prove how progressive we are.

Look at the data on who harms children. The vast majority of serious physical and sexual abuse is committed by males. Single male households show higher risks in the statistics for child abuse, domestic violence exposure, and poorer outcomes in some studies. Women aren't perfect (far from it), but the biological and statistical reality is that men pose a higher risk, especially without a female partner in the home. A woman in the household often acts as a natural safeguard - someone who is more likely to notice, intervene, or report concerning behaviour.

We've seen too many tragic cases where single men (or gay men with access to children without proper oversight) have gone on to abuse fostered or adopted kids. Social services and adoption agencies are under huge pressure to find placements, so corners get cut and "inclusive" policies mean they bend over backwards to approve single men. The child's safety should trump everything.

Why are we gambling with kids who already lost the lottery once?

Adoption and fostering aren't a right for adults. They're not about giving men a purpose or validating lifestyles. They're about finding the most suitable, lowest-risk home for damaged children. A stable married couple (or at least a man with a woman in the home) should be the gold standard. Single women? Fine, the evidence supports they generally manage better. Single men? A male couple? No. The risk profile is different.

If a man wants to parent, he can find a wife first. Harsh? Maybe. But we're talking about other people's traumatised children, not virtue-signalling or men's feelings. Safeguarding isn't prejudice - it's pattern recognition.

This isn't about hating men. It's about not ignoring sex-based patterns in crime and abuse data when placing vulnerable kids. Same reason we don't put male staff in every girls' changing room. Thoughts? Am I being unreasonable?

Rose West … Myra Hindley

TheHateUGive · 17/06/2026 14:42

So if a man is with a woman and the woman dies, their child should go into foster care and find a new family?

Honestly the bullshit they allow on here is wild.

nomas · 17/06/2026 14:41

Honeyhonay · 17/06/2026 14:38

Does it, or is that your subjective opinion?

It’s just as subjective calling him a fantastic father though.

dunroamingfornow · 17/06/2026 14:40

My dad was my protector from my mum. This is actually the first time I’ve written that down. Lots of abuse by mothers probably goes unreported. It’s very hard to share that as people don’t want to believe it could be true. My mother was a saint according to those who knew her. Also there are a lot of mothers who don’t stop men from abusing or harming children. We need to protect children but this is not the way.

RedQuail4 · 17/06/2026 14:40

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 17/06/2026 14:39

Out of interest, I do just wonder - of all the people who are ever arrested for having child abuse images on their computers - what percentage of those are women?

According to AI, it's about 0.3%

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PuzzledObserver · 17/06/2026 14:40

By your logic, OP, women should not be allowed to cohabit with men because male domestic partners are overwhelmingly more likely to abuse and kill than female ones.

Compulsory lesbianism and parthogenesis is the way forward.

AlcoholicAntibiotic · 17/06/2026 14:39

I can, sadly, think of many more cases where child abuse has been carried out where men are with women than where it’s been a male-only household.

Not denying that men carry out much of the abuse. Just saying the presence of a woman isn’t the safety factor you seem to think it is.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 17/06/2026 14:39

Out of interest, I do just wonder - of all the people who are ever arrested for having child abuse images on their computers - what percentage of those are women?

Honeyhonay · 17/06/2026 14:38

RedQuail4 · 17/06/2026 14:36

The fact that Elton John was in his mid 60s when he first started having children suggests he's not a 'fantastic father'

Does it, or is that your subjective opinion?

Mjhope · 17/06/2026 14:38

Beinash Batool
Emma Tustin
.....

RedQuail4 · 17/06/2026 14:36

Justanopinionnothingmore · 17/06/2026 14:32

I don't think gay men are more likely to harm a child ffs!

This was an awful, god awful and down right evil case with poor baby Preston.

But that doesn't reflect on all gay men FGS.

Elton John and his husband are fantastic fathers, a great example set.

The fact that Elton John was in his mid 60s when he first started having children suggests he's not a 'fantastic father'

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Upsetbetty · 17/06/2026 14:35

nomas · 17/06/2026 14:30

Is it now solely women’s responsibility to weed out abusive men?

No that’s not what I’m saying. I’m just saying that OP cannot target all with one brush!

Lomonald · 17/06/2026 14:35

RedQuail4 · 17/06/2026 14:30

A lot of posters seem to think I think all men abuse their children.

I can't tell if they're being disingenuous or are just stupid.

Of course the vast majority of men are fine to be with children.

But proportionality is essential when it comes to safeguarding.

You're not being unhinged by not sending a pre-verbal child to a nursery with male workers.. you're simply listening to your natural instincts and not being dictated to by cool kid propaganda.

You are saying of course not all men but yes some men so we should be cautious at all times of all men!