Can’t get over poor baby Preston

Hopefully the first of many.

I know it's so awful beyond words, when I see his beautiful little happy face I just want to reach in to the photo, pick him up and cuddle him...silly I know

In poor Preston's case, he was probably very traumatised having been removed from the people who were mum and dad to him. Heartbreaking that instead of at least being loved and cared for, he was treated with such cruelty both in those large, unspeakable ways as well as all the petty small cruelties.
He must have felt so lost, confused and alone.

I have experience in the prison sector and officers will not turn a blind eye as every time a murder is committed prisoner on prisoner it leads to questions and investigations about general safety of all prisoners and inspections. Not a good look for a prison. These people are being held by the State and the role of the State is to ensure their safety and welfare while in custody. Except personallly, I think their days are numbered. Sooner or later...

And yet 1 of these monsters was trained in Safe guarding.
Rot in Hell both of you. I think you'll find that in prison.

I have experience in the prison sector and officers will not turn a blind eye as every time a murder is committed prisoner on prisoner it leads to questions and investigations about general safety of all prisoners and inspections. Not a good look for a prison. These people are being held by the State and the role of the State is to ensure their safety and welfare while in custody. Except personallly, I think their days are numbered. Sooner or later...

Can someone on this thread who has experience in the prison sector please reassure me that these men will experience living hell in prison and that officers will turn a blind eye?

I think I read that Varley was remanded to Durham. Not sure about McGowan-Fazakerley - I'm guessing they would have been sent to different places.

At least there was a moment of horror for him.

Valley collapses vomiting when sentenced so obviously the bastard does live in a delusional world where he thought he would fool people again, and it was a a shock to him that it didn't work.

Totally agree; I hope they suffer at the hands of others for months and months!

I'm really struggling with the fact they pleaded not guilty and so countless more people had to sit through weeks of evidence which is incredibly scarring. Did they really think they would get away with it?

Genuine question - do you think it's realistic that all instances of serious child abuse or murder/manslaughter of children should be predicted/prevented?
It's a given that of course we would want them to be. But do you think its possible? Because that's what strikes me every time something happens - it's an instant assumption that it was a failure of services, before there's any investigation. It doesn't seem to happen anywhere else, even when the subject is emotive - eg medics aren't assumed to have failed every time a child dies in hospital despite their job being to care for a patient. The police aren't assumed to fail every time someone is killed by someone who had an existing record. Of course we would want to prevent as much as possible. I just whether the expectations would ever be realistic or achievable, even if social services had a 'perfect' service, eg if there were proper investment and govt support.

Maybe evidence how he was able to manipulate people to trust him with this very responsible role very quickly?

You're right, safeguarding roles are usually not roles for newly qualified staff.

The two gay men who committed this unspeakable crime are British. All the other cases I mentioned were committed by British nationals.

The two gay men who committed this unspeakable crime are British. All the other cases I mentioned were committed by British nationals.

It is bothersome to me that the posts about this poor baby has been awash with people needing to educate and correct posters.

It isn't our job, nor will it ever be. We won't have any effect on the professions involved in cases like this.. I see a post like the OP's as an outlet for the horror, helplessness and grief they feel, thus extended to a great many others who feel this way.

I don't want educating. Another thread was taken over by an adopter. Can't people be left to express their outrage without a need for 'correction'?

ffs.

Just read this on the BBC

‘Varley first worked at South Shore Academy as a design and technology technician, before later becoming a teacher there after training between 2019 and 2021.
He also took on a pastoral role as a designated safeguarding lead and was head of year.’

and thought it was notable how little time JV had been in teaching before being given the safeguarding lead and head of year roles. I don’t know much about teaching but had always thought these were roles for more senior/experienced staff.