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AIBU to think claiming two state pensions seems unethical?

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CoffeeAndCats3 · 16/06/2026 22:16

I wrote about this on another thread, but thought I'd start my own as it irks me and I'm wondering if IABU.

My parents emigrated from the UK in their early/mid thirties and have never lived in the UK since. They are now late 60's. My Mum told me recently that both her and my Dad are claiming a full UK pension, in addition to a full pension in the country them emigrated to. They don't need this money, but she seemed quite smug about how they can 'double dip' and live the Life of Riley while sitting on a load of money, rental properties etc. I told her it seemed a bit unethical to me, but she didn't understand my viewpoint at all.

How is this possible? She said that they only had to pay their (national insurance?) for a period of time after moving, to then be eligible for the full UK pension on retirement? Can someone explain to me if this is correct, as I half think they've scammed the UK system somehow!

OP posts:
P00hsticks · 17/06/2026 09:09

VimFuego101 · 16/06/2026 22:33

usually just paying class 3 entitles you to this, so about 185 pounds per year.

class 3 is approaching £1000 a year now - it;s Class 2 that is much cheaper, and as someone else has reported that loophole has now been closed

Laurmolonlabe · 17/06/2026 09:09

They may be a bit disappointed, you are only entitled to a full pension if you have paid in for forty ish years,so even if they had jobs from being teenagers they would only have have about half a full pension. if th. Also when you draw a pension from abroad it is frozen at the level of when you left so it will not even be the level of half a pension in 2026.

oliviaAustin · 17/06/2026 09:06

VimFuego101 · 16/06/2026 22:33

usually just paying class 3 entitles you to this, so about 185 pounds per year.

Class 3 is £956 a year.

CoffeeAndCats3 · 17/06/2026 09:04

Sillyme1 · 17/06/2026 08:50

Why be so bitter and twisted about your own parents. How do their finances affect you personally.

What ridiculous hyperbole 🙄 (or maybe its projection?)

I started the thread as I was miffed and curious as to what my Mum was telling me was correct. Apparently it is. I disagree from an ethical point of view.

However I will continue to chat and spend time with my parents and help them when they need it. I can assure no there is no 'bitter and twisted' over here.

OP posts:
Dollymylove · 17/06/2026 09:04

Assuming its legal, who wouldnt claim it?
Instead why not post about the huge benefit fraud we have in this country?

Honeyhonay · 17/06/2026 09:01

echt · 17/06/2026 08:51

That wasn't the question I asked. I wanted to know which so-called "loophole" you were referring to.

You are well aware that the idea that UK expats who only worked in the UK for 3 years could buy NI credits at a reduced rate while living outside the UK and paying no Uk tax, enabling them to receive full state pension was widely considered a loophole which is why public pressure meant measures were brought in to attempt to close elements of it.

echt · 17/06/2026 08:58

Retro12 · 17/06/2026 08:57

There's plenty more "loopholes" that need addressing than this one I would say!

This one has been addressed by the government.

Namechangeforthisdilemma1 · 17/06/2026 08:58

keepswimming38 · 17/06/2026 07:43

I gather you don’t like your parents much then op?

If you got on with your mother but she did something you don’t agree with are you never allowed to disagree or call it out?

What if she shoplifting every time you went to the shop. Yes slightly different example but can you not see the difference between liking a person and not liking their actions?

Jeez!

Retro12 · 17/06/2026 08:57

CoffeeAndCats3 · 16/06/2026 22:59

Ah, sounds like it's all correct then. Not surprised they've had this all worked out as they've always been shrewd with money.

But given the state of the UK finances atm it does seem like a loophole which needs addressing.

There's plenty more "loopholes" that need addressing than this one I would say!

ShanghaiDiva · 17/06/2026 08:56

Youhadrambledonfor18pages · 17/06/2026 08:54

And immoral.

I paid voluntary contributions for 25 years. Moved back to the uk and am a higher rate tax payer. What exactly is immoral about that?

2countrypension · 17/06/2026 08:54

ShanghaiDiva · 17/06/2026 08:53

Indeed. Which I why I did it- it’s an excellent investment.

Me too. It was a no brainer. pay £185.50 for each year of pension? I also made sure my husband sorted his out before the deadline. It was a huge topic in expat circles.

Youhadrambledonfor18pages · 17/06/2026 08:54

ShanghaiDiva · 17/06/2026 08:53

Indeed. Which I why I did it- it’s an excellent investment.

And immoral.

TheTideIsNigh · 17/06/2026 08:53

Sillyme1 · 17/06/2026 08:50

Why be so bitter and twisted about your own parents. How do their finances affect you personally.

How state benefits are given out affect all of us.

And why should it be different just because it's someones parents?

ShanghaiDiva · 17/06/2026 08:53

Youhadrambledonfor18pages · 17/06/2026 08:48

Which is still a tiny fraction of what will be received.

Indeed. Which I why I did it- it’s an excellent investment.

SallySall · 17/06/2026 08:52

Youhadrambledonfor18pages · 17/06/2026 08:11

Yes but a) most people do work and pay in
b) of those people who don’t make contributions, they live here and the majority will contribute to UK society in some way- bearing and raising children, being unpaid carers or even just down to spending their benefits money in the UK economy.

Well then surely the fact that most people claiming a UK pension are based in the UK and spending it in the UK should be enough? If only “most” people in a demographic need to doing something then it’s the same for pensioners surely?

You also can’t really use the reasoning that if someone has children that’s enough to contribute enough to cover themselves. What if their parents also didn’t work so their children didn’t cover them. And then the children of this generation have may also not work so will you say the same about their children? Just hope that at some point one generation of children will work? But it will never cover the decades of previous generations will it?

I have a friend who had her first child at 20. She hasn’t worked since and is now 44. Her youngest is 4. Her oldest now also has a child and is not working. At what point will this family pay enough to cover themselves? Or are you saying the fact they spend their benefit money here is enough to do that? If so, why do I have to pay tax and NI?? Surely me spending my wages is enough to pay that??

echt · 17/06/2026 08:51

Honeyhonay · 17/06/2026 08:47

It’s an immoral loophole which is exactly why restrictions on it started to tighten. It’s still unethical in the eyes of the majority of the population.

Again, I’ve already stated, something can be legal and immoral/ unethical based on cultural norms. Like the many tax loopholes which exist for a few to game the system while lower earners largely on PAYE pay a larger portion of their income in tax.

That wasn't the question I asked. I wanted to know which so-called "loophole" you were referring to.

2countrypension · 17/06/2026 08:51

user1484264563 · 17/06/2026 08:40

The voluntary contribution to top up your years paid is nearer £900 per year not £200.

Class 2 are much less. This year it is £185.50 (I'm sat looking at the letter now. it's on my 'to do' list!)

Sillyme1 · 17/06/2026 08:50

Why be so bitter and twisted about your own parents. How do their finances affect you personally.

Youhadrambledonfor18pages · 17/06/2026 08:50

Misbella · 17/06/2026 08:48

That doesn’t happen, nobody gets a full pension by only paying in for ten years ! Ten years ( it used to be 3 ) allows you to ( in some cases only, you can’t pay further back than 2006 or after your retiring age) pay the extra years needed to qualify. Ten years without further contributions would get you a percentage of the state pension not a full pension.

Ok, even at 35 years of a few hundred pounds contribution, the point remains the same.

echt · 17/06/2026 08:49

TheTideIsNigh · 17/06/2026 08:41

You do know that legal is not the same as moral right? That they are two different words with two different meanings?

Of course.

Misbella · 17/06/2026 08:48

Youhadrambledonfor18pages · 17/06/2026 00:21

I’d like to hear anyone justify how it’s fair to live here for only 5 years, pay a few hundred quid in for another 5 years and then take over £12k every year for (usually) decades. I don’t think anyone would be able to argue it’s ethical, even though it’s legal.

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That doesn’t happen, nobody gets a full pension by only paying in for ten years ! Ten years ( it used to be 3 ) allows you to ( in some cases only, you can’t pay further back than 2006 or after your retiring age) pay the extra years needed to qualify. Ten years without further contributions would get you a percentage of the state pension not a full pension.

Honeyhonay · 17/06/2026 08:48

50sandFabulous · 17/06/2026 08:44

Clearly the Op hasn't googled though, has she?

Why not? Not sure what your google has told OP that she didn’t already know.

Youhadrambledonfor18pages · 17/06/2026 08:48

ShanghaiDiva · 17/06/2026 08:45

Exactly. I paid voluntary class three contributions when I lived overseas- think it was about £600 per year when I moved in 1995.

Which is still a tiny fraction of what will be received.

Honeyhonay · 17/06/2026 08:47

echt · 17/06/2026 08:35

What "mmoral loophole" are you referring to? If it's the lawful state of affairs regarding NI top-op contributions from overseas the OP's parents benefited from, then it no longer exists, as has been pointed out by several posters several times.

It’s an immoral loophole which is exactly why restrictions on it started to tighten. It’s still unethical in the eyes of the majority of the population.

Again, I’ve already stated, something can be legal and immoral/ unethical based on cultural norms. Like the many tax loopholes which exist for a few to game the system while lower earners largely on PAYE pay a larger portion of their income in tax.

Youhadrambledonfor18pages · 17/06/2026 08:47

50sandFabulous · 17/06/2026 08:44

Clearly the Op hasn't googled though, has she?

She doesn’t need to google to know it’s perfectly legal but morally doesn’t sit well with her 🙄.

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