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AIBU to be English,  but really really want  Scotland to win the world cup.

383 replies

fruitandbarley · 16/06/2026 21:36

After decades of disappointment I've pretty much given up on watching England with any hope.

I have Scottish in laws and love the place anyway but after seeing all the videos of the tartan army in Boston I'd so love for them to win ( however unlikely that may be!)

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Ang69 · 18/06/2026 16:28

Perpetualscroller · 18/06/2026 16:06

Thanks all for adding to my list. I started with the most famous and successful worldwide to prove my point. I didn’t even begin to name the many, many individual footballers (men and women, Kim Little) or Rugby players who have had unbelievable success with their respective teams. Just cause the teams often fall short, doesn’t mean the Scots are collectively bad at all sport.

I will add, as a proud Scot, that I also proudly wave my Union Jack every other 4 years for the Olympics, supporting athletes from all 4 nations with equal gusto and measure. I’m another Scot that’s not a member of the ABE camp and quite like to see the team doing well. I watched the game last night and thought they were impressive, especially after Saka came on.

I’ll be wasting my breath to say the ABE stuff mostly really is the Scottish sense of humour, which is notoriously hard to read. Mostly cause the people on here who don’t believe me aren’t listening anyway.

Yes there are some who take it seriously, but I would also point out this is football, it’s not exclusive to Scots. Ask an Arsenal fan to support Spurs in Europe. Ask a Liverpool fan to support Everton in the FA cup final. It’s Derby’s and rivalry, and it’s what the sport is about.

OP, we’d be delighted to have you on board and wishing us well - we really can do with all the support we can get! In my turn, I also wish England well, and I’ll leave it at that.

Very nicely said, honestly, it's just banter apart from a few idiots!!

Perpetualscroller · 18/06/2026 16:06

Thanks all for adding to my list. I started with the most famous and successful worldwide to prove my point. I didn’t even begin to name the many, many individual footballers (men and women, Kim Little) or Rugby players who have had unbelievable success with their respective teams. Just cause the teams often fall short, doesn’t mean the Scots are collectively bad at all sport.

I will add, as a proud Scot, that I also proudly wave my Union Jack every other 4 years for the Olympics, supporting athletes from all 4 nations with equal gusto and measure. I’m another Scot that’s not a member of the ABE camp and quite like to see the team doing well. I watched the game last night and thought they were impressive, especially after Saka came on.

I’ll be wasting my breath to say the ABE stuff mostly really is the Scottish sense of humour, which is notoriously hard to read. Mostly cause the people on here who don’t believe me aren’t listening anyway.

Yes there are some who take it seriously, but I would also point out this is football, it’s not exclusive to Scots. Ask an Arsenal fan to support Spurs in Europe. Ask a Liverpool fan to support Everton in the FA cup final. It’s Derby’s and rivalry, and it’s what the sport is about.

OP, we’d be delighted to have you on board and wishing us well - we really can do with all the support we can get! In my turn, I also wish England well, and I’ll leave it at that.

BuildbyNumbere · 18/06/2026 15:25

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/06/2026 13:01

Calling me “strange” and “hysterical” is a convenient way to avoid acknowledging that you couldn’t defend your own argument. If that’s the note you want to bow out on, that’s entirely your choice.

All the best with the flounce. Goodbye accepted.

Nope, just I literally have better things to do! See ya.

Inverness1900 · 18/06/2026 13:55

SpottyAlpaca · 16/06/2026 22:06

YANBU. Support who you want to.

I’m the opposite way round. Scottish born & bred. I would love to be proud of my country but I can’t be because I absolutely detest the embarrassingly small-minded, chippy ‘Anyone But England’ mentality of so many Scottish people. Which is who I’m supporting England. A proud nation which doesn’t have a pathetic inferiority complex. At least we might win a couple of games…

Don't worry, you embarrass us too.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/06/2026 13:40

Duncan Scott won gold in the 4×200m freestyle relay at Tokyo 2020 and added further relay gold in Paris 2024, making him Scotland’s most decorated Olympian.

Katie Archibald earned Olympic gold in the women’s team pursuit at Rio 2016 and in the Madison at Tokyo 2020.

Heather Stanning won gold in the women’s coxless pair at both London 2012 and Rio 2016.

Scott Brash won team jumping gold in equestrian at the Paris 2024 Games.

Sholto Carnegie won rowing gold for Team GB at the Paris 2024 Olympics.

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 18/06/2026 13:36

Jackie Stewart, David Coulthard, Jim Clark (widely known as one of the best all-time drivers), Dario Franchitti, Allan McNish, Susie Wolff, Chloe Grant.

All just from the racing world 🤷‍♀️

dailychallenge · 18/06/2026 13:16

I am going to add Eilish McColgan and Laura Muir. Runners in the Olympics and Commonwealth Games. Jamie Murray, Colin McRae, David Coulthard.

Harry12345 · 18/06/2026 13:07

Perpetualscroller · 18/06/2026 10:57

Except Tennis (Andy Murray) and cycling (Chris Hoy) and rowing (Katherine Granger) and managing football teams (Dalglish, Ferguson) and Curling (too many to name) and running (Liz McColgan, Alan Wells, Eric Liddell) and motorsport (Jackie Stewart) and darts (Jocky Wilson) and golf (Colin Montgomery) and swimming (Duncan Scott)….

Yeah, Scotland are rubbish at sport

John Huggins and Stephen hendry

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/06/2026 13:01

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Calling me “strange” and “hysterical” is a convenient way to avoid acknowledging that you couldn’t defend your own argument. If that’s the note you want to bow out on, that’s entirely your choice.

All the best with the flounce. Goodbye accepted.

BuildbyNumbere · 18/06/2026 12:47

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FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 18/06/2026 11:54

Ew, do you mind with your pervy shit 🤢🤢

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/06/2026 11:54

BuildbyNumbere · 18/06/2026 09:58

Not have you tbh

It’s impressive, really — you’ve managed to ignore every Scottish person here saying they support England so you can keep insisting Scotland “hates England with a passion.”

Must be exhausting carrying around that level of certainty in the face of, you know, evidence.

I’m Scottish, my husband and kids are English, and somehow we’ve all survived without this deep-rooted hatred you’re convinced we have and we haven’t frozen in hell as you’ve portrayed we would by supporting England.

But instead of acknowledging any of that, you’ve gone straight to getting shirty and behaving like a petulant child mid–pram explosion. If you actually want a discussion, you might want to stop stamping your feet long enough to have one.

Zov · 18/06/2026 11:26

dannyufcfan · 18/06/2026 11:14

Yes, it is ok to want that.

I want to wake up next to Sydney Sweeney

I want to wake up next to Sydney Sweeney

I don't think you're alone in that @dannyufcfan Grin I can't imagine why! 😍

AIBU to be English,  but really really want  Scotland to win the world cup.
AIBU to be English,  but really really want  Scotland to win the world cup.
AIBU to be English,  but really really want  Scotland to win the world cup.
dannyufcfan · 18/06/2026 11:14

Yes, it is ok to want that.

I want to wake up next to Sydney Sweeney

Zov · 18/06/2026 11:11

@Ang69 And I was delighted for Scotland when they won their match against Haiti last Sunday.

Zov · 18/06/2026 11:10

Ang69 · 18/06/2026 08:48

Honestly, i feel sorry for the OP. She came on to just share a bit of happiness. It really doesn't matter who you support. The amount of hate for the Scots is palpable, especially from Countrylife.

There will always be idiots who spout hate but I do not believe the majority of Scots hate the English or vice versa. It is easy to pick out isolated incidences. I love Britain, all our 4 beautiful countries. The football rivalry between Scotland and England is deep rooted and not general hatred.

Can't we all just enjoy the football? Agree there will always be nasty people but for the vast majority it is all said in jest. I was personally delighted for England last night even though I'm a proud Glaswegian!

Yesss. Great post! Smile

Zov · 18/06/2026 11:09

llikeyourbum · 17/06/2026 23:46

The Scots HATE the English, why would you want them to win? They would never ever return the sentiment

Awww, I think whilst there is some 'anyone but England' sentiment, most Scots don't hate the English. And the English don't hate them. It's all a bit of fun and banter. I wish Scotland well too, and would be happy if they won. Happier if England won, but if not them, then Scotland can win. Grin

Imagine an England-Scotland final! 😊

Perpetualscroller · 18/06/2026 10:57

Livelovebehappy · 16/06/2026 23:47

England all the way for me. But I do feel sorry for Scotland. They just never seem to be successful at any sport. It must be frustrating for them….

Except Tennis (Andy Murray) and cycling (Chris Hoy) and rowing (Katherine Granger) and managing football teams (Dalglish, Ferguson) and Curling (too many to name) and running (Liz McColgan, Alan Wells, Eric Liddell) and motorsport (Jackie Stewart) and darts (Jocky Wilson) and golf (Colin Montgomery) and swimming (Duncan Scott)….

Yeah, Scotland are rubbish at sport

BuildbyNumbere · 18/06/2026 09:58

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/06/2026 09:26

“Argument? This is supposed to be a discussion forum, yet you’ve contributed nothing of substance so far.”

Not have you tbh

Differentforgirls · 18/06/2026 09:33

Ang69 · 18/06/2026 09:28

Let them try!! I actually feel sorry for them having such a narrow minded view. So many Scots have posted positively about England but they still only want to talk about hate. There is NO HATE between us. Scotland and England have always been rivals, it would be odd to change that. It is part of the charm. Plenty of English folk have also stated they've been welcomed here.

Bloody hell, let it go guys and chill a bit, life's far too short for all this hatred when it really doesn't exist.

Yes, I do too.

Ang69 · 18/06/2026 09:28

Differentforgirls · 18/06/2026 08:56

Best not to mention countrylife as her cheerleader might jump in to patronise you.

Let them try!! I actually feel sorry for them having such a narrow minded view. So many Scots have posted positively about England but they still only want to talk about hate. There is NO HATE between us. Scotland and England have always been rivals, it would be odd to change that. It is part of the charm. Plenty of English folk have also stated they've been welcomed here.

Bloody hell, let it go guys and chill a bit, life's far too short for all this hatred when it really doesn't exist.

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 18/06/2026 09:27

This thread is sad and depressingly familiar.

Aren’t Scotland great?
English weeping about the hatred
Scotland: 🤷‍♀️

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/06/2026 09:26

BuildbyNumbere · 18/06/2026 07:48

Well many have said the same thing as me since! Some are a lot ruder! Why don’t you go pick an argument with them?!?

“Argument? This is supposed to be a discussion forum, yet you’ve contributed nothing of substance so far.”

Differentforgirls · 18/06/2026 08:56

Ang69 · 18/06/2026 08:48

Honestly, i feel sorry for the OP. She came on to just share a bit of happiness. It really doesn't matter who you support. The amount of hate for the Scots is palpable, especially from Countrylife.

There will always be idiots who spout hate but I do not believe the majority of Scots hate the English or vice versa. It is easy to pick out isolated incidences. I love Britain, all our 4 beautiful countries. The football rivalry between Scotland and England is deep rooted and not general hatred.

Can't we all just enjoy the football? Agree there will always be nasty people but for the vast majority it is all said in jest. I was personally delighted for England last night even though I'm a proud Glaswegian!

Best not to mention countrylife as her cheerleader might jump in to patronise you.

Ang69 · 18/06/2026 08:48

Honestly, i feel sorry for the OP. She came on to just share a bit of happiness. It really doesn't matter who you support. The amount of hate for the Scots is palpable, especially from Countrylife.

There will always be idiots who spout hate but I do not believe the majority of Scots hate the English or vice versa. It is easy to pick out isolated incidences. I love Britain, all our 4 beautiful countries. The football rivalry between Scotland and England is deep rooted and not general hatred.

Can't we all just enjoy the football? Agree there will always be nasty people but for the vast majority it is all said in jest. I was personally delighted for England last night even though I'm a proud Glaswegian!

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