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AIBU to be English,  but really really want  Scotland to win the world cup.

383 replies

fruitandbarley · 16/06/2026 21:36

After decades of disappointment I've pretty much given up on watching England with any hope.

I have Scottish in laws and love the place anyway but after seeing all the videos of the tartan army in Boston I'd so love for them to win ( however unlikely that may be!)

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HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 19/06/2026 09:08

frenchfancy81 · 19/06/2026 00:28

Apart from the English, right?

“This comment reflects more about you than anything else. Everyone is welcome in Scotland — and that genuinely means everyone, no matter where they were born

Harry12345 · 19/06/2026 08:49

frenchfancy81 · 19/06/2026 00:28

Apart from the English, right?

🙄

Harry12345 · 19/06/2026 08:49

tilypu · 19/06/2026 04:35

Aberdeen Rangers?

When did they move?

She meant Aberdeen and rangers

Differentforgirls · 19/06/2026 08:44

frenchfancy81 · 19/06/2026 00:28

Apart from the English, right?

Tbh, you don’t cross our minds. You’re really not that important. Just people like everyone else. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

ChocoChocoLatte · 19/06/2026 07:56

@FloodlightsOnTheSquare agreed. It’s all rather tiresome and boring. An age old rivalry etc etc and I’ve never, not once, been rude or unwelcome to anyone. Regardless of their origin. But always so lovely to be stereotyped and judged by folk who have never met me…

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 19/06/2026 06:43

frenchfancy81 · 19/06/2026 00:28

Apart from the English, right?

How confusing is the word ‘all’?

So desperate to be hated by us. I really find it very odd.

tilypu · 19/06/2026 04:35

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 19/06/2026 00:05

We all know Rangers Celtic has a religious element. Actually Aberdeen Rangers can be pretty brutal too. I agree completely that loutish behaviour by a minority is a football problem found at all levels and across all countries.

The Tartan Army is unique, joyful and a pleasure to watch.

Aberdeen Rangers?

When did they move?

Ezzee · 19/06/2026 00:31

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 18/06/2026 23:49

Seems to go completely against every other thing I’ve seen on social media about the Tartan Army in Boston. They’ve even decided to twin Boston with Glasgow and made haggis legal! Maybe as a thank you for the £30,000+ donated by the Army to local charities.

Maybe I'm not in Boston and I am in another part of the USA where this isn't my experience, also not my experience of the behaviour yesterday when England were playing!
I've no skin in this game I'm from Wales!

frenchfancy81 · 19/06/2026 00:28

ChocoChocoLatte · 16/06/2026 21:37

No. We are the best country in the world and all are welcome. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Apart from the English, right?

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 19/06/2026 00:20

Livelovebehappy · 17/06/2026 20:23

Or as they say, British when he wins, Scottish when he loses. And has to be said he doesnt win anything these days..

He’s officially retired since 2024 and is now coaching Jack Draper …..

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 19/06/2026 00:18

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 17/06/2026 20:20

England will naturally have more well‑known figures simply because its population is around ten times larger than Scotland.

But our wee country doesn’t need to tear others down to feel good about itself — we stand on our own merits.

Scotland doesn’t need to drag anyone else down to feel good about who we are.

I think I love you 😂

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 19/06/2026 00:16

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 17/06/2026 20:01

Using the 1977 Wembley incident as if it defines Scotland fans today is just outdated.

Football in the 70s was chaotic everywhere, and it’s simply not accurate to pretend that was some uniquely Scottish disgrace.

If we’re going to talk about fan behaviour, then we can’t ignore the far more serious and far more recent issues involving England supporters.

The Euro 2020 Wembley disorder, the Marseille clashes in 2016, and a long list of fines and sanctions over the years didn’t appear out of thin air.

That’s not an attack on anyone’s identity — it’s just acknowledging well‑documented events.

Meanwhile, the Tartan Army has spent decades building a reputation as one of the friendliest and most respectful travelling supports in Europe. Host cities praise them. UEFA praises them. Rival fans praise them.

That reputation exists because it reflects how the vast majority behave.

You’ve had a few bad encounters, and that’s fair enough. Everyone has with every fanbase. But using isolated personal experiences to paint Scotland fans as the problem, while overlooking the much larger and more recent issues elsewhere, isn’t a balanced comparison.

The reality today is straightforward: Scotland fans overwhelmingly travel well, behave well, and bring atmosphere rather than trouble.

That’s why there positive stereotype exists worldwide! #NoScotlandNoParty

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Well said!

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 19/06/2026 00:13

countrylife00 · 17/06/2026 18:31

This was in the late 80s and 90s.
i moved up from London and could not believe it. I had worked with people from everywhere, but in Aberdeen it was a different world.

Maybe it was just your sparkling personality

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 19/06/2026 00:11

BuildbyNumbere · 17/06/2026 17:56

Hell will freeze over before that happens!

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Literally the next poster said exactly that. Didn’t you read it?

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 19/06/2026 00:10

BuildbyNumbere · 17/06/2026 17:55

YABU … they don’t stand a chance and they hate England with a passion! Why would you want someone to win when they want nothing more than your country to lose.

Sometimes it is just a fun way to wind up a Sassenach. We don’t always mean it. Grin

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 19/06/2026 00:05

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 17/06/2026 11:40

Scotland isn’t defined by Rangers and Celtic, and pretending otherwise is just ignorance.

Every country has louts around derby matches — that’s not a Scottish problem, it’s a football problem. Living in England, I see firsthand how some people here show a level of bitterness toward Scotland that’s honestly embarrassing.

The Tartan Army is known worldwide for their good behaviour and the charity work they do while supporting their team. Yet there’s always someone — usually English — desperate to criticise them. It’s unfair, it’s outdated, and it says more about the critic than it does about Scotland.

We all know Rangers Celtic has a religious element. Actually Aberdeen Rangers can be pretty brutal too. I agree completely that loutish behaviour by a minority is a football problem found at all levels and across all countries.

The Tartan Army is unique, joyful and a pleasure to watch.

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 19/06/2026 00:00

SaySomethingMan · 17/06/2026 08:51

💯
England suppprters always think England is better than they really are. And there are many racists in the country so that doesn’t help with the attack on the black players.

The pundits are the worst at exaggerating England. The way they dismiss other nations is so arrogant and shameful.

However I like this squad and i’m looking forward to what they can do. I don’t think they’ll win it but hopefully they’ll go far.

Yes I think the pundits/media are usually the issue - bigging up England, acting as if it’s their right to win something.

the actual team themselves don’t act or talk arrogantly like that. I remember interviews during the Euros and thinking what a pleasant sensible bunch of young lads most of them seemed to be.

I always feel sorry for anyone who misses a penalty to lose a match. Whatever the team. Such a sickening moment for them and their team.

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 18/06/2026 23:52

countrylife00 · 17/06/2026 04:51

Yes. We went off to the U.S. after Aberdeen. A breath of fresh air.

You’re sadly missed, I’m sure. Hmm

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 18/06/2026 23:49

Ezzee · 17/06/2026 00:57

Here in the USA atm,really not liking the Scottish fans here! Loud, rude and really, really drunk, swearing and being dicks, letting the kids run amok because the football is on, about 15/20 families.. So not the whole of Scotland but letting down their country!

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Seems to go completely against every other thing I’ve seen on social media about the Tartan Army in Boston. They’ve even decided to twin Boston with Glasgow and made haggis legal! Maybe as a thank you for the £30,000+ donated by the Army to local charities.

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 18/06/2026 20:08

Got to be honest, you both sound like dorks at this point. Chill guys.

BuildbyNumbere · 18/06/2026 19:18

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/06/2026 18:37

You claimed Scots “hate the English.” Every Scottish person who replied—including me—has said the opposite and backed it up with actual lived experience.

I’ve lived in England for over twenty years, I’m married to an English man, and my children are English. If you think that somehow supports your claim, then you’re not engaging with this discussion at even a basic level.

You were asked for evidence. You still haven’t produced any. Instead, you’ve shifted to inventing things about me because you can’t defend what you originally said. That isn’t debate. It’s evasion.

Have you actually read the many posts from Scottish people saying we support England?

Not one person has claimed Scots “hate the English.” There’s rivalry, yes, but not hatred.

My English and Scottish families holiday together, raise each other’s kids, and are godparents across both sides. If your “reality” can’t stretch far enough to include that, the limitation isn’t cultural — it’s you.

At this point, your rebuttals aren’t even landing. You’re reinforcing my point with every message. It’s like the lights are on, but nobody’s actually home.

If you’re confident in your claim, feel free to provide evidence. If not, pretending your assumptions are facts won’t fool anyone—it just shows you’re out of your depth. Anyway, here’s hoping the third “goodbye” and “see ya” is the one you finally manage to follow through on.

Appreciate the essay … I couldn’t be bothered to read it all but glad you feel I am so worthy of your time 👍🏻

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/06/2026 18:37

BuildbyNumbere · 18/06/2026 17:42

And the Scot’s don’t hate the English … think you’re kinda proving the point

You claimed Scots “hate the English.” Every Scottish person who replied—including me—has said the opposite and backed it up with actual lived experience.

I’ve lived in England for over twenty years, I’m married to an English man, and my children are English. If you think that somehow supports your claim, then you’re not engaging with this discussion at even a basic level.

You were asked for evidence. You still haven’t produced any. Instead, you’ve shifted to inventing things about me because you can’t defend what you originally said. That isn’t debate. It’s evasion.

Have you actually read the many posts from Scottish people saying we support England?

Not one person has claimed Scots “hate the English.” There’s rivalry, yes, but not hatred.

My English and Scottish families holiday together, raise each other’s kids, and are godparents across both sides. If your “reality” can’t stretch far enough to include that, the limitation isn’t cultural — it’s you.

At this point, your rebuttals aren’t even landing. You’re reinforcing my point with every message. It’s like the lights are on, but nobody’s actually home.

If you’re confident in your claim, feel free to provide evidence. If not, pretending your assumptions are facts won’t fool anyone—it just shows you’re out of your depth. Anyway, here’s hoping the third “goodbye” and “see ya” is the one you finally manage to follow through on.

Ang69 · 18/06/2026 17:49

BuildbyNumbere · 18/06/2026 17:42

And the Scot’s don’t hate the English … think you’re kinda proving the point

Have you actually read the many posts from Scottish people saying we support England? I haven't seen a single post saying the English are hated. Yes, there is rivalry but not hatred. Why are you so angry? I ask this genuinely.

BuildbyNumbere · 18/06/2026 17:42

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/06/2026 16:59

Go on then, run off to your “better things.” Must be tiring keeping up that fantasy. And honestly, if that was your idea of contributing, silence would’ve been a mercy

And the Scot’s don’t hate the English … think you’re kinda proving the point

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/06/2026 16:59

BuildbyNumbere · 18/06/2026 15:25

Nope, just I literally have better things to do! See ya.

Go on then, run off to your “better things.” Must be tiring keeping up that fantasy. And honestly, if that was your idea of contributing, silence would’ve been a mercy