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AIBU to be English,  but really really want  Scotland to win the world cup.

383 replies

fruitandbarley · 16/06/2026 21:36

After decades of disappointment I've pretty much given up on watching England with any hope.

I have Scottish in laws and love the place anyway but after seeing all the videos of the tartan army in Boston I'd so love for them to win ( however unlikely that may be!)

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JollyGreenSleeves · 20/06/2026 12:58

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 20/06/2026 12:56

Ok if the players are loved…the fans are the problem? Be a big help if loads of them didn’t go and cause trouble abroad I guess.

I would imagine like football fans from any country- there’s good and bad in all, surely?

Ang69 · 20/06/2026 12:57

JollyGreenSleeves · 20/06/2026 12:43

I don’t think many folk outside of the UK have Scottish football on their radar. They’ve been largely absent from international competition for decades. Who has played for them in recent decades that would be internationally recognised? To say they are well loved is a bit of a stretch. Yeah the are having fun in Boston which is great to see. However, I would think most people outside of the UK wouldn’t be able to name any of their squad. Of course that may change if they do well going forward.

I don’t think it’s true to say the England team are disliked either- they have genuine world class players- I believe the Germans in particular adore Kane, the Spanish love Bellingham- he took the time to learn Spanish etc. Beckham is doing wonders for USA football. Lots of positives these days- some really wonderful role models in the England squad past and present. Not sure what there is to dislike.

I don't think there is any bitterness against the actual team. It is the English pundits and media that annoy peoole.

You're right, England are much better known on the world stage. The Tartan Army are known to be great supporters worldwide for those who follow football. True, we don't get out and about much but when we do we are welcomed and host countries are happy to see us.

We do have some bitter Scots that let us down but there are far more nasty English supporters who have real venom. Those videos were not banter, Piers Morgan was fine. We've always been rivals and that is ok, we don't have to be horrible about it though.

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 20/06/2026 12:56

JollyGreenSleeves · 20/06/2026 12:43

I don’t think many folk outside of the UK have Scottish football on their radar. They’ve been largely absent from international competition for decades. Who has played for them in recent decades that would be internationally recognised? To say they are well loved is a bit of a stretch. Yeah the are having fun in Boston which is great to see. However, I would think most people outside of the UK wouldn’t be able to name any of their squad. Of course that may change if they do well going forward.

I don’t think it’s true to say the England team are disliked either- they have genuine world class players- I believe the Germans in particular adore Kane, the Spanish love Bellingham- he took the time to learn Spanish etc. Beckham is doing wonders for USA football. Lots of positives these days- some really wonderful role models in the England squad past and present. Not sure what there is to dislike.

Ok if the players are loved…the fans are the problem? Be a big help if loads of them didn’t go and cause trouble abroad I guess.

Secretseverywhere · 20/06/2026 12:56

Ang69 · 20/06/2026 12:34

You're right, very bitter, that isn't banter. I think they are jealous that the Tartan Army have been so welcomed and loved. I'm sure many English folk will be embarrassed by these types of videos.

I think that’s possibly true of Scots abroad in general. You get a much warmer welcome in lots of countries. I think the Scot’s are thought of as more like the Irish, loveable rogues who like a drink which the tartan army lives up to.

JollyGreenSleeves · 20/06/2026 12:56

Differentforgirls · 20/06/2026 12:54

Why? We’re tiny. You have 10 times the population we have.

England is tiny too in comparison to so many other counties.

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 20/06/2026 12:55

JollyGreenSleeves · 20/06/2026 12:43

I don’t think many folk outside of the UK have Scottish football on their radar. They’ve been largely absent from international competition for decades. Who has played for them in recent decades that would be internationally recognised? To say they are well loved is a bit of a stretch. Yeah the are having fun in Boston which is great to see. However, I would think most people outside of the UK wouldn’t be able to name any of their squad. Of course that may change if they do well going forward.

I don’t think it’s true to say the England team are disliked either- they have genuine world class players- I believe the Germans in particular adore Kane, the Spanish love Bellingham- he took the time to learn Spanish etc. Beckham is doing wonders for USA football. Lots of positives these days- some really wonderful role models in the England squad past and present. Not sure what there is to dislike.

I was talking about the Tartan Army, not the team itself.

JollyGreenSleeves · 20/06/2026 12:54

The English Premier League is widely regarded as the best in the world. That’s why some of your Scottish players choose to play there rather than for Scottish league team right? Can’t be all that bad here in England.

Differentforgirls · 20/06/2026 12:54

JollyGreenSleeves · 20/06/2026 12:50

Yep, largely absent though- 1998 before then? I’m not trying to be rude or controversial- I always cheer on home nations- loved watching Bale for Wales. Just stating what I see as facts.
They’re not really very well known internationally as a team are they? They’re not producing world class players on anywhere near the same scale as England- men and women.
Maybe as a country this needs addressing at the grass roots level.

Why? We’re tiny. You have 10 times the population we have.

JollyGreenSleeves · 20/06/2026 12:50

Differentforgirls · 20/06/2026 12:44

Euros 2024

Yep, largely absent though- 1998 before then? I’m not trying to be rude or controversial- I always cheer on home nations- loved watching Bale for Wales. Just stating what I see as facts.
They’re not really very well known internationally as a team are they? They’re not producing world class players on anywhere near the same scale as England- men and women.
Maybe as a country this needs addressing at the grass roots level.

Differentforgirls · 20/06/2026 12:44

JollyGreenSleeves · 20/06/2026 12:43

I don’t think many folk outside of the UK have Scottish football on their radar. They’ve been largely absent from international competition for decades. Who has played for them in recent decades that would be internationally recognised? To say they are well loved is a bit of a stretch. Yeah the are having fun in Boston which is great to see. However, I would think most people outside of the UK wouldn’t be able to name any of their squad. Of course that may change if they do well going forward.

I don’t think it’s true to say the England team are disliked either- they have genuine world class players- I believe the Germans in particular adore Kane, the Spanish love Bellingham- he took the time to learn Spanish etc. Beckham is doing wonders for USA football. Lots of positives these days- some really wonderful role models in the England squad past and present. Not sure what there is to dislike.

Euros 2024

JollyGreenSleeves · 20/06/2026 12:43

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 20/06/2026 12:24

There’s a real bitterness I think, that comes from being the better team, but quite widely disliked, whereas we’re shite but well loved.

I don’t think many folk outside of the UK have Scottish football on their radar. They’ve been largely absent from international competition for decades. Who has played for them in recent decades that would be internationally recognised? To say they are well loved is a bit of a stretch. Yeah the are having fun in Boston which is great to see. However, I would think most people outside of the UK wouldn’t be able to name any of their squad. Of course that may change if they do well going forward.

I don’t think it’s true to say the England team are disliked either- they have genuine world class players- I believe the Germans in particular adore Kane, the Spanish love Bellingham- he took the time to learn Spanish etc. Beckham is doing wonders for USA football. Lots of positives these days- some really wonderful role models in the England squad past and present. Not sure what there is to dislike.

Murica · 20/06/2026 12:41

England is playing in Boston next week. I expect they'll be even more charming and well behaved and generous and cheerful because they'll have seen how much everyone loved the Scots being that way. Right?

Ang69 · 20/06/2026 12:34

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 20/06/2026 12:24

There’s a real bitterness I think, that comes from being the better team, but quite widely disliked, whereas we’re shite but well loved.

You're right, very bitter, that isn't banter. I think they are jealous that the Tartan Army have been so welcomed and loved. I'm sure many English folk will be embarrassed by these types of videos.

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 20/06/2026 12:24

There’s a real bitterness I think, that comes from being the better team, but quite widely disliked, whereas we’re shite but well loved.

Differentforgirls · 20/06/2026 12:22

Harry12345 · 20/06/2026 11:38

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/191Yj5QKso/?mibextid=wwXIfr

oh look English fans all love Scottish or like what everyone has been saying is just banter?

Awful.

tilypu · 20/06/2026 12:10

Harry12345 · 20/06/2026 11:38

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/191Yj5QKso/?mibextid=wwXIfr

oh look English fans all love Scottish or like what everyone has been saying is just banter?

That's hilarious!

Why are the English fans so interested in how Scotland are getting on? Smacks of jealousy - and we all know which team is better, so it must be the fans and the attention that the tartan army are getting that is getting under their skin 😂

Harry12345 · 20/06/2026 11:51

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1GKfVJZUnN/?mibextid=wwXIfr

and another

Harry12345 · 20/06/2026 11:38

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/191Yj5QKso/?mibextid=wwXIfr

oh look English fans all love Scottish or like what everyone has been saying is just banter?

Differentforgirls · 19/06/2026 20:30

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 19/06/2026 20:02

@Differentforgirls , apologies, not sure what happened however the quote didn’t link 😢

No worries. We can all act it out and often do when we have a drink in us 😂

Differentforgirls · 19/06/2026 20:28

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 19/06/2026 19:59

I hadn’t thought about The Quiet Man in years. It was always on when I was a wean because my dad adored John Wayne, so it just became part of the background at home.

Amazing how one tiny reminder can bring it all rushing back. I’ve even got a photo of my dad, bare‑backing John Wayne on the back of his couch, wearing his cowboy hat 🤣

During lockdown I bought a print of a painting by the Dublin Artist who painted it. Met him on Twitter 😂.

It's of John and Maureen O'Hara in the Quiet man. The things we did in lockdown 😱.

I bought it for my husband and got it framed and it's now on the wall in my hall.

Everybody loves it.

At least it's better than the rest of the absolute wastes of money I spent then out of complete boredom 😳

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 19/06/2026 20:02

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 19/06/2026 19:59

I hadn’t thought about The Quiet Man in years. It was always on when I was a wean because my dad adored John Wayne, so it just became part of the background at home.

Amazing how one tiny reminder can bring it all rushing back. I’ve even got a photo of my dad, bare‑backing John Wayne on the back of his couch, wearing his cowboy hat 🤣

@Differentforgirls , apologies, not sure what happened however the quote didn’t link 😢

Sulgari · 19/06/2026 20:00

ChocoChocoLatte · 16/06/2026 21:37

No. We are the best country in the world and all are welcome. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

Hear hear

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 19/06/2026 19:59

I hadn’t thought about The Quiet Man in years. It was always on when I was a wean because my dad adored John Wayne, so it just became part of the background at home.

Amazing how one tiny reminder can bring it all rushing back. I’ve even got a photo of my dad, bare‑backing John Wayne on the back of his couch, wearing his cowboy hat 🤣

tilypu · 19/06/2026 19:57

DugnuttEyeBoogies · 19/06/2026 18:27

Thank you.

Shouldn’t be difficult to work it out from context but some folk are hard of comprehension. Must be the horrible hard water down south. Grin

No need for the snark! I acknowledged my error before your reply.

And you could not be more wrong about my location.