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AIBU to be English,  but really really want  Scotland to win the world cup.

383 replies

fruitandbarley · 16/06/2026 21:36

After decades of disappointment I've pretty much given up on watching England with any hope.

I have Scottish in laws and love the place anyway but after seeing all the videos of the tartan army in Boston I'd so love for them to win ( however unlikely that may be!)

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lebin · 17/06/2026 17:28

We’ve these things I think it’s fine to want another team to win but it would be unreasonable to want England to lose. If you want Scotland to win their matches and do well because you have a connection to the country/ people that’s nice. I have a friend with a Scottish parent - they have lived in England all their lives but still love Scotland. It irks me that they are desperate for England to lose everything (every match, every sport etc) 😂

Pistachiocake · 17/06/2026 17:10

Of course not, all live in Britain.

Harry12345 · 17/06/2026 17:09

Livelovebehappy · 16/06/2026 23:47

England all the way for me. But I do feel sorry for Scotland. They just never seem to be successful at any sport. It must be frustrating for them….

Hurling, golf, athletics tennis?

Harry12345 · 17/06/2026 16:49

countrylife00 · 16/06/2026 22:04

I guess I am the opposite. I was a nursing sister and no one spoke to me for weeks. They made it clear they didn’t want an English nurse on their ward, let alone managing them. However it was the 90s, so things might have improved.

I work with loads of nhs, social workers and admin and many of them are English, no one cares or treats them any differently, what you’ve said seems bizarre to me, are you sure it was because you are English? There’s literally people working here from all over the world

LlynTegid · 17/06/2026 11:52

Nothing wrong with wanting a particular country to win the tournament who is not your home country. You can admire particular players, the manager, or any other reason.

Scotland or England won't win, don't get your hopes up.

NotInvolved · 17/06/2026 11:50

And even then it's a minority of Celtic and Rangers fans who cause issues. True, both clubs have violent and sectarian groups associated with them but I know plenty of people who go regularly who are passionate about the football but are absolutely not drunken thugs. It's patently ridiculous to judge an entire country's fans on the basis of the actions of a small proportion of people associated with 2 clubs. That's like judging all England fans by the standards of say Millwall or Leeds supporters in the 80s. And let's not kid ourselves that football hooliganism is unique to these shores either.

hugasaurus · 17/06/2026 11:50

NotAnotherScarf · 16/06/2026 21:41

I understand your sentiments...but do watch the video of Scotland fans in 1977 at Wembley. The media has painted a rosey picture of these lovely Scottish people in their wee kilts and hats... whilst churning out the view that the English are like the hordes of Atilla the Hun. Whilst the huge majority of Scotland fans are well behaved, I have personal experience of the opposite.

Is 1977 the new 1966? Grin

YANBU OP! DH is English but has lived in Scotland for many years and is definitely rooting for us. It’s so nice walking around and seeing all the flags, the kids are chatting about it all the time, it’s just a nice thing for the country. No one expects us to get very far but just being there is a great time! It’s hard not to get swept up in it all really.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 17/06/2026 11:40

Scotland isn’t defined by Rangers and Celtic, and pretending otherwise is just ignorance.

Every country has louts around derby matches — that’s not a Scottish problem, it’s a football problem. Living in England, I see firsthand how some people here show a level of bitterness toward Scotland that’s honestly embarrassing.

The Tartan Army is known worldwide for their good behaviour and the charity work they do while supporting their team. Yet there’s always someone — usually English — desperate to criticise them. It’s unfair, it’s outdated, and it says more about the critic than it does about Scotland.

ChocoChocoLatte · 17/06/2026 11:20

@countrylife00glad you’ve found your happy place ☺️

ObelixtheGaul · 17/06/2026 11:06

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 17/06/2026 10:39

I guess it’s what English people call a chav? We might say, och he’s such a ned 🤷‍♀️

Also it’s not true. Good and bad, like in every single country the world over.

Oh, I see. Thank you.

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 17/06/2026 10:39

I guess it’s what English people call a chav? We might say, och he’s such a ned 🤷‍♀️

Also it’s not true. Good and bad, like in every single country the world over.

ObelixtheGaul · 17/06/2026 10:34

RichPetuniaAgain · 16/06/2026 22:24

Hey, I’m Scottish and always back England in their tournaments because at least they get there 🤣. I think there is a false impression of Scotland as the reality is it’s fast becoming Nedland, which is a huge worry 😢

I know I am probably being totally stupid, here, but what's 'Nedland'?

Striveforcompetence · 17/06/2026 10:12

countrylife00 · 17/06/2026 04:49

Have you ever been to a Celtic / Rangers match?

Sorry but please do go and then say Scottish football fans are well behaved.

😂😂😂 I live in Glasgow.
I’m not talking about the old firm, I’m talking about Scotland fans out in the world, compared to England fans. We aren’t hated, you are. There’s a reason for that.

Purplecatshopaholic · 17/06/2026 09:46

Scotland won’t win. Don’t be daft, lol. But we’ll have great fun while it lasts - we know how to party, if not play good football, lol. I’m getting into it, in spite of myself as my wee cul-de-sac is getting decked out with window displays thanks to the kids. There was a group of neighbours kids in their back garden practicing (murdering) Flower of Scotland last night..

Wiseplumnet · 17/06/2026 09:40

Striveforcompetence · 17/06/2026 00:11

What? Tennis, cycling, golf, judo… we do well at plenty of sports. And our fans don’t act like total louts.

Don't forget Curling, we are good at that too!

Ang69 · 17/06/2026 09:36

countrylife00 · 16/06/2026 22:07

Um. You said you wanted Scotland to win.
I am still waiting for a single Scottish person to say they want England to win……
I might have a long wait.

I'm Scottish and always support England every time including this World Cup. Of course, I'm also supporting Scotland but well aware we probably won't make it out of the 1st round.

I hate the small mindedness of people who support anyone else but England. I've lived all over the UK including England and Wales and always viewed them as my country, the UK. I remember being told in Wales to go back to my own country as I was taking a job from the Welsh, there will always be people like this, best to ignore.

Good luck to England tonight!!

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 17/06/2026 09:28

countrylife00 · 17/06/2026 04:49

Have you ever been to a Celtic / Rangers match?

Sorry but please do go and then say Scottish football fans are well behaved.

Ah, don’t do that mate. The vast majority of fans are nothing like those wankers; that rivalry has a very different provenance, as you well know.

FloodlightsOnTheSquare · 17/06/2026 09:25

Livelovebehappy · 16/06/2026 23:47

England all the way for me. But I do feel sorry for Scotland. They just never seem to be successful at any sport. It must be frustrating for them….

On the contrary, it gives us licence to not give that much of a shit, and just party for as long as it lasts 🤷‍♀️

SaySomethingMan · 17/06/2026 08:51

KnittyKnotty · 16/06/2026 22:56

I think the difference is Scotland have won one match, probably won't win anymore but that one win has given a whole nation enough euphoria to last a lifetime.

England could win every match except the final one and it will be like the world has ended. All the players will be slagged off in the media, the manager will be hung drawn and quartered, nasty memes will appear all over SM, if any non-white player misses a penalty the racists will be all over it and the fans will probably go on a riot vandalising and wrecking the place.

If I was interested in football, I would get behind Scotland.

💯
England suppprters always think England is better than they really are. And there are many racists in the country so that doesn’t help with the attack on the black players.

The pundits are the worst at exaggerating England. The way they dismiss other nations is so arrogant and shameful.

However I like this squad and i’m looking forward to what they can do. I don’t think they’ll win it but hopefully they’ll go far.

Feetballislife · 17/06/2026 08:49

Would love Scotland to win! They have about as much a chance as England do, to be fair!

motorlady · 17/06/2026 08:38

summeronthehorizon · 17/06/2026 00:05

Ah the Scottish fans look like they are having the best time over in Boston. In any big group there will always be arse holes but on the whole I imagine it’s all good fun.

I am Scottish and first and foremost, Scotland have my backing. But I also want England to win if Scotland don’t. Im in the minority - but I’m guessing the OP is in the minority too! Everyone knows about Scotland v England rivalry!

Also 1966 ruined it for England. They sickened everyone by how much they went on about it and still go on about it.

Same here. I hate football with a vengeance but as a Scot Scotland will always have my support in any sport. I live in England and England are my adopted team (apart from when they’re playing Scotland).
I’m with you re 1966.
My husband is English

WeirdyBeardyMarrowBabyLady · 17/06/2026 06:53

I love Scott McTominay and his crazy Naples glow up so I also want them to do well despite being English.

Sartre · 17/06/2026 06:45

Classic British underdog sentimentality! I grew up with a French dad so always supported them but never publicly, can you imagine going to school saying that?! So I had shirts for both and only wore one at the weekend…

HoraceCope · 17/06/2026 05:58

in a local pub in 1992 in england, they werent even showing the scotland match,
miserable buggers

Howmanycatsistoomany · 17/06/2026 05:36

countrylife00 · 17/06/2026 04:49

Have you ever been to a Celtic / Rangers match?

Sorry but please do go and then say Scottish football fans are well behaved.

And yet I don't recall Scotland ever being ordered to play matches behind closed doors because of the behaviour of their fans.

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