George’s education costs

I am sorry to disappoint you. My post is a rant written with the aim of playing up to what I and others believe to be the purpose of the OP: provoking negative comments about the monarchy. Like you, I would not describe myself as a monarchist but I would rather a monarchy than a presidency. The speeches King Charles gave in the US earlier this year could not have been given by a president.

However, the extreme wealth, secrecy and privilege need to change. My mum, not a stupid woman, was a royalist, in awe of the QEII and quite unable to see the monarchy objectively. She was beside herself when I said that revising for my O levels was a better use of my time than watching the Silver Jubilee.

I’m sorry this is just nonsense .
Yougov polls prove nothing .

The UK population has never been asked if we wish to continue supporting this mob of Andrew protectors to the tune of half a billion a year !

What happened to your son’s friend is terrible and I agree that sunflower lanyards should always be respected .

That incident has precisely zero relevance to protests against the monarchy and repeated attempts to link the two are very …unconvincing.

I know some elderly people have a parasocial relationship with the Windsors - they’ve been brainwashed for a life time . However that does not give them the right to stop legitimate protest against the monarchy’s coverups .

In fact if you or they are genuinely concerned about children and young people you should be grateful to those willing to keep highlighting the Andrew / Epstein scandal .

Thousands of people turn up to watch, a personal choice of theirs. I wouldn’t go but why should it be stopped because someone else doesn’t like it. If you don’t like it don’t watch. Like someone else said, the majority support having a monarchy are their opinions not as important as yours.
I also wouldn’t watch a presidential parade which might be what we might get instead. I’m not a fan, but it’s part of our culture. Not everything has to be cancelled because a minority doesn’t like it.

Well I hope William and Kate got fined then 😂

No you are not the one who has made a mistake - you are right they do go to school at Lambrook - which includes Saturday morning lessons and the afternoon for sports.

Oh fair enough, my mistake. I stand by the rest, though.

What does the DATA show on net economic benefits or loss? What's the thing with the crown estates?

YouGov suggest 62-64 per cent of the population support the monarchy.
So that is more than any political party by far.
23-25 per cent prefer an elected head of state. Why should the minority dictate what the majority want? And I bet a lot of the elderly love seeing the children. It’s a feel good for many.

What kid goes to school on a Saturday? State school kids certainly don’t.

I just don't see how that's an argument, though. You can think something is wrong and still understand there's no easy fix. Although I'd perhaps
start with not parading about incredibly privileged children (why weren't they at school anyway?) in a golden carriage, in the arrogant and unchallenged assumption that the proles will wet themselves and grovel at the golden wheels of their superiors.

They own land don’t they, they would be able to make full financial use of it.

Im just saying that if we become a republic tomorrow then George will still go to Eton with security. That won’t change.

Well yes, they're so wealthy that if we became a republic they'd still be wealthy.... and?

I'm not sure about the 'doing things to make themselves more wealthy' - they might just find people weren't quite so interested in them or indulgent of their shortbread if they weren't royal.

“Republic have had their members arrested and released without charge. Vicars arrested for a passing comment . Protesters arrested for holding up a blank piece of paper
Not to forget the official statement released from the Windsors calling Virginia a liar -when they had known for decades about Andrew and Epstein . I believe that act was abuse of power
Republic has protested that trooping pantomime for years. The Windsors chose to put the children in that ridiculous carriage and parade them in public.”

Look @Ukisgaslit - Liberty has been defending certain groups for years and Human Rights lawyers have been getting foreign criminals off the hook and allowed to stay in this country. And now we have a massive backlash via the Right Wing in this country, which is extremely scary for a lot of us. Unfortunately certain groups doing certain things actually on the opposite end of the spectrum are inciting those on the far right too, indirectly.

My child and his autistic friend (who was wearing a lanyard) was properly accosted by animal rights. You do never accost a child wearing a lanyard!
As I pointed out, both Public Order Act and the general offence of assault have a subjective element to it. That is just how the law works.
Obviously I was not there nor do I know Kate personally nor do I know whether she is taking this further or not or has been told to just ignore it. Nor who was booing etc.

But pretending that all these far left activists across the spectrum are not harming the general public like my DS and his friends making the country worse by giving rise to the far right indirectly, it is completely disingenuous.
I hope Liberty is defending some of the idiotic teens directly incited online by social media to engage in dumb far right protests too and those being done for online hate too. I get that “violence” is never acceptable but neither is any form of intimidation of children or anyone else vulnerable for that matter.

Members of this protest group have been done for similar offences in the past.

Well no-one got 'done' on this occasion which suggests the protestors' actions were deemed to have stayed the right side of the law.

Indeed. The crux of the issue is that Andrew isn’t the iceberg. The corruption and poor judgement extends throughout the family,
yet we are expected to respect and subjugate ourselves to these people. Elizabeth, the ‘untouchable’, is implicated here too. I do wonder how different things would look if this had come out before her death and the coronation.

I emphasise the main thing for me is the taxpayer is not allowed to know how much the costs for the security of the RF are. I am not saying they should not have it - it should definitely only be for the inner group, though.

To add to this - Harry and his family are now coming to the UK next month. I hope that will go well. It is just that this also means they must have come to an agreement for their security to be paid for by the taxpayer - at least for this visit. How much will that cost?

I genuinely hope that Charles will meet up with his grandchildren - he is an extremely rich man and can and should easily pay for this.

If we become a republic tomorrow they will still be extremely wealthy and can do things to make themselves more wealthy without the criticism of being a public servant.
well also still pay for their security.

The Andrew thing really grates me. I used to have the "net economic gain, diligent public servants, royal duties." But I'm questioning that now.

Absolutely ridiculous to say the tax payer doesn't pay the fees - we pay for the royal family to be rich enough to pay the fees. They don't have a penny that isn't the result of them being royal, directly or slightly less directly.

Or do you think William and Kate just drive a ten year old car and don't go on foreign holidays, and that's how they, like so many parents on Mumsnet, afford private school fees?

Which he obtained in the usual way by submitting his full CV and two referees.....

Thank you

The entire response to the emergence justified protest at the unchecked power of the monarchy is chilling

The decision was made to put the children in the carriage. I have no idea how much agency Kate has- I assume very little

If the children continue to be placed front and centre when republic are known to protest we can draw our own conclusions.
Human PR shields and / or an attempt to silence protest from a so called ‘above it all’ family business .

People have every right to protest .

What did you know William and Charles ?

Thank you for your informative comment. I would like to add that on the Republic website they inform what events they will be attending and even give a map of where they will be standing. There are photos of previous years with them at the Trooping ..... I was shocked the way the group were treated at the Coronation, it is discussed with the police, and it was too heavy-handed that poor Australian royal fan ....

Yes, I have looked and can’t see any cases of Republic members, ie not random members of the public, actually being convicted. I can only find references to false arrests, de-arrests and apologies from the police for denying members the legitimate right to protest within parameters previously agreed with the police. This is documented by Liberty. @Araminta1003 you keep mentioning an interaction between an animal rights group and your children. This is nothing to do with Republic. I mention this not to minimise your children’s distress but as it brings heat to the discussion of monarchy and muddies the waters.Police apology Republic

there is much being made of booing children however, in reality, the Republic members are placed well back, it takes seconds for the carriage to go by and the booing comes from both ‘sides’ as other people boo the slogans shouted. I wasn’t there - I can only base this on footage I have seen over the years. If they stood silently, they would still be conspicuous by their flags and colours. I did have a wry smile yesterday at Kate’s choice of Ascot outfit. William also wore a coordinating flower. Sweet.

Not me

The more I see the attempted whipping up outrage at the Windsors being protested the more I’m convinced the Windsors and their supporters are rattled .

They should be .

That family is riddled with pedophiles and sex abusers and their response is to lie for decades and protect the offenders . Their financial greed and corruption is taken as read .

Republic have had their members arrested and released without charge. Vicars arrested for a passing comment . Protesters arrested for holding up a blank piece of paper
Not to forget the official statement released from the Windsors calling Virginia a liar -when they had known for decades about Andrew and Epstein . I believe that act was abuse of power

Republic has protested that trooping pantomime for years. The Windsors chose to put the children in that ridiculous carriage and parade them in public.

Kate certainly did glare / cold stare . A huge mistake .
The Windsors are divisive figures and increasingly so.
What right thinking person would support them now with what we know?