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stronger border restrictions so they're not here in the first place?

Starmer himself was quick to reinforce that message. He also enforced it to try and shut Nigel Farage down over the Henry Nowak murder - albeit not immigration related. It's a ploy that was used in the Lee Rigby murder. Easy to hush the public's condemnation if you can tug at the old heart strings. I also have to laugh at this panic about Russian interference when our own PM appointed a man who was happy to sell our security secrets. Talk about an own goal.

Talking of voter fraud, I take it security is going to be ramped up for tomorrow's local election.

Edited -Sorry, Thursday's election.

I haven't had BBC for years because I don't believe them either

But that's not the point here. They are reporting on a court case.

Everyone has reported on the conclusion of this court case now so you can find the information on whichever website you choose.

Those lads have been found guilty and I haven't read the court report but it is obvious, as it was from the beginning, that they were acting on the behalf of someone else

@ColdAsAWitches I think the thing with parties that have been established for a very very long time is that are probably less likely to be infiltrated by foreign interference.

It’s not a report, it’s a statement of intent. Zia Yusuf posted about it yesterday.

Would you care to link to that Serco report?

I do agree but it Is being driven by this Labour government.

They plan to allow 16 yrs olds to vote knowing that they are far more likely to vote left, they plan to change rules to give voting rights to immigrants far more quickly, they are attempting to shut down free speech in various dirty ways and are turning a blind eye to voter fraud in certain communities which will only increase as those communities grow exponentially. Add in their determination to make it easier to convict people of various crimes and we’ve not got a very well functioning democracy.

I have also seen a report that Serco, the vast prisoner and immigrant accommodation management company would refuse to follow instructions by a Reform government. There are far too many activists in civil service and quasi CS roles.

They even have a briefing unit to manipulate the families of victims murdered by immigrants. Interestingly some users on here were very keen to enforce the messages put out by this unit.

If someone has been charged with rape is it fairer that he and the alleged victim wait 5 years to have the case heard by a jury, or would a far quicker procedure with it being heard by a judge only be better? Surely it’s better all around that justice is sped up? I’d far rather a judge heard my case if I’d been accused of something than it being decided by someone who was deciding based on whether they liked my shoes etc (something that actually happened when I did jury service).

I do agree but it Is being driven by this Labour government.

They plan to allow 16 yrs olds to vote knowing that they are far more likely to vote left, they plan to change rules to give voting rights to immigrants far more quickly, they are attempting to shut down free speech in various dirty ways and are turning a blind eye to voter fraud in certain communities which will only increase as those communities grow exponentially. Add in their determination to make it easier to convict people of various crimes and we’ve not got a very well functioning democracy.

I have also seen a report that Serco, the vast prisoner and immigrant accommodation management company would refuse to follow instructions by a Reform government. There are far too many activists in civil service and quasi CS roles.

They even have a briefing unit to manipulate the families of victims murdered by immigrants. Interestingly some users on here were very keen to enforce the messages put out by this unit.

Honestly, I think we're witnessing the death of democracy. There is foreign interference on a scale that we've never seen before, and yet people simply won't acknowledge the extent to which they are being manipulated. The facts don't seem to matter any more, either, as some of the posts on this thread demonstrate - anything that doesn't support someone's particular world view is merely dismissed as fake news.

I really don't see how we can come back from this as a society.

Well in my 50 years of life we've had 36 of a RWP and its got us to where we are now, so I beg to differ.
Edited to add, the majority of countries with the best quality of life (Netherlands, and most of Scandinavian) have either had centrist or slightly left or slightly right coalitions). Extremes are never good for a long term economic or socially well functioning country.

Or because they believe a right wing party is what the country needs as a whole. GB News is available for those similar people. I agree with @CornishDaughteroftheDawn Starmer is the one stoking division. We don't need outsiders to be doing the job he's capable of. I'm more concerned at what's going on inside his own party and his inability to listen to experts.

The BBC isn't perfect. But the fact people are choosing outlets such as GB news over it owned by 2 billionaires with vested interests in getting a very right wing party in. So that they can change the tax rules to make them even richer.
Or the unregulated SM platforms like FB, insta and X. Which have paid content by Russia to bring divisive politics here.
Russia have been using propoganda for over a hundred years. The internet with its algorithms is perfect for seeking out the disillusioned and feeding them with reaffirming stories. Stoking hatred.

Do you believe that Labour and the conservatives aren't being propped up by foreign money?

I don’t believe a word the BBC says anymore.

Honestly, I think we're witnessing the death of democracy. There is foreign interference on a scale that we've never seen before, and yet people simply won't acknowledge the extent to which they are being manipulated. The facts don't seem to matter any more, either, as some of the posts on this thread demonstrate - anything that doesn't support someone's particular world view is merely dismissed as fake news.

I really don't see how we can come back from this as a society.

If someone has been charged with rape is it fairer that he and the alleged victim wait 5 years to have the case heard by a jury, or would a far quicker procedure with it being heard by a judge only be better? Surely it’s better all around that justice is sped up? I’d far rather a judge heard my case if I’d been accused of something than it being decided by someone who was deciding based on whether they liked my shoes etc (something that actually happened when I did jury service).

I don’t believe a word the BBC says anymore.

If someone has been charged with rape is it fairer that he and the alleged victim wait 5 years to have the case heard by a jury, or would a far quicker procedure with it being heard by a judge only be better? Surely it’s better all around that justice is sped up? I’d far rather a judge heard my case if I’d been accused of something than it being decided by someone who was deciding based on whether they liked my shoes etc (something that actually happened when I did jury service).