If you support Reform, Restore, Greens and similar far right/left parties

Who DO you believe?

This is a report of a court case. Everything that was said was said in open and public court (you or I could have attended, and many members of the public probably did) so, sorry to disappoint your preconceptions, but this a ringer for being accurate.

Yes, we do need to hold social media accountable for the material that they publish. I'm just not sure that I see anyone with the courage to take on that fight?

It certainly is. @CornishDaughteroftheDawn I really wouldn't waste any more time on this. When you read that we fellow citizens need to behave in a certain way, you just laugh and say yeah right. Hilarious.

Yes thanks but these threads always end up the same way

I've read the Telegraph article.

They did not report that Serco wouldn't cooperate with a Reform government.

They reported that Serco, like the other companies that they had contacted to ask about potential collaboration with Reform, had declined to comment.

And they reported that Serco would not be bidding for a mass deportation contract.

@CornishDaughteroftheDawn is either deliberately seeking to spread disinformation about what was reported or else she has a serious problem with her reading comprehension.

Have you bothered to read the thread at all?

Ah another ‘if you support a party I disapprove of, justify your decision although you will be called a bigot or stupid’ thread. Is it that time already?

As a pp said (not sure it was you?) SM has to be held accountable in the same way the press is. It is the only way.

Sadly, yes, I think we're totally fucked. I actually can't see any way back to a world in which facts matter.

I fear for the younger generation and what kind of world we have created for our children and our grandchildren.

The idea of integrity in public life is gone. The notion of truth is gone. Democracy, as we knew it, is gone. We are going to need to figure out a different way of being in this new reality. I don't know what that looks like yet, but I'm starting to realise that we simply cannot rely on our fellow citizens to behave like decent, reasonable or rational human beings.

It is affecting you. You are swallowing disinformation whole and then repeating it on here.

I think you should look at the Russia Report and what the security services and analysts are saying.

I can't access the Telegraph article, its behind a paywall but if they did say Serco wouldn’t co operate with instructions from a Reform government then they were lying. I don't think they said that though. Do you have a quote?

Do you have specifics about it is actually affecting people though?

The report that was made in the Telegraph that they wouldn’t co operate with instructions from a Reform government. Presumably some grown ups have stepped in.

We're utterly fucked, aren't we? I read many of the posts on here and just despair. People's world views are so warped by misinformation and propaganda on social media. It really is a cancer. They don't believe reputable journalists, but believe faceless accounts on X. The security services need to have the power to expose and shut down foreign interference online and in our press. Putin must be laughing.

The Telegraph reported that Serco, a private sector company, would not be bidding for mass deportation contracts in the UK.

Zia claimed Serco had taken a decision to oppose Reform's plans. He said the only reasonable interpretation of Serco’s position is that it now believes itself to be an alternative power base to the duly elected government of the United Kingdom, and is willing to act contrary to the interests of the British electorate. And made some crazy, vague threats.🤯

Responding, Serco said it “does not take political positions, nor do we comment on the policy programmes of political parties”.

This is a case of an unelected member of Reform UK who seems to think he can dictate to and threaten a private sector company that has the right to bid or not bid on contracts. Not some conspiracy or activism.🤷‍♀️

The FT has a good article on the Russian involvement in the case, if that's more your thing. The Telegraph has covrred it too. And other media outlets.

Whilst people should be aware of international bad actors, Labour are doing a sterling job of self sabotage, all on their own.

Does anyone? I don't even trust bbc weather

Of course it is spreading mis/disinformation.

You claimed that there were reports that "Serco, the vast prisoner and immigrant accommodation management company would refuse to follow instructions by a Reform government".

That was not true. As such, you were spreading mis/disinformation.

You cited Zia Yusuf's Facebook page as your source. That is not a reliable source of information.

You have since stated that Serco's refusal to follow instructions from a Reform government was reported in the Telegraph. I've checked. All I could find were reports on Zia Yusuf's letter (which obviously pushed his narrative) and a report that Serco "is understood to have ruled out involvement in an ICE-style deportation campaign".

Serco has referred to inaccuracies in the Telegraph reporting, but even if it were true, a private company deciding that it would not be interested in tendering for a future contract in a hypothetical procurement exercise that a hypothetical Reform government might or might not choose to run is categorically not the same as the incumbent holder of an existing government contract to provide migrant accommodation stating that it would refuse to follow instructions from any future government.

Perhaps you have no idea how public sector procurement works in the UK, but for your information, all private companies are free to choose which tender opportunities they wish to respond to and which they do not, because they are private companies. The fact that they may hold an existing contract to provide one kind of service in relation to our immigration system does not create any obligation on them to provide other services which are outside the scope of their existing contracts.

Anyway, before you posted your mis/disinformation, you clearly did not bother checking your facts, as Serco had in fact already issued a statement clarifying its position and confirming that it does not comment on the policy programmes of political parties.

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were spreading misinformation due to ignorance/poor critical thinking skills, but the fact that you're digging in your heels on this one makes me lean more towards the view that you're deliberately spreading disinformation.

So again you're making assertions without any substance or evidence.

It was reported in the Telegraph and by Zia Yusuf that Serco was not intending to abide by instructions from a Reform government

No. This is what the Telegraph article said about SERCO. You are not being truthful.

I'm not claiming it. Our security services are claiming it.

Have you found what Serco backtracked on?

So why does the Prime Minister and much of his government feel the need to participate in spreading fear and division then? Is he trying to compete with the Russians to scare us more?

Out of interest, what exactly are you claiming that the Russians are trying to do and how have they influenced me?

Yes, thanks for the unnecessary condescension. One of the 1000+ objections to it was that it was not the right subject for a PMB.

I’m not going to list a whole load of links and documents because a) most people who follow current affairs are very aware of these things and b) if you want to prove anything I’ve said as being incorrect, feel free.

I don’t care if you believe me or not as it doesn’t change the facts that everyone else can see. People who are interested in what I say can do their own research and make up their own minds. In fact I’d rather they did that.

Back tracking on what?

It’s not ‘spreading information from an unreliable source’ although I’m sure you’d love to smear the Telegraph as an unreliable source.

It was reported in the Telegraph and by Zia Yusuf that Serco was not intending to abide by instructions from a Reform government.

Just because Serco is now backtracking on what appears to be an activist that has got way above themselves doesn’t mean this is all made up. I’ll take no lessons from you.