to think older age is no excuse for sexism, racism and misogyny?

why haven’t they been brought up to speed by you and DGCs - I think it’s partly that they need informed of stuff - teach them to look stuff up on AI

And who cares what they say about women’s roles - ridiculous in this day and age

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As of 2023, 42% of doctors in the UK were trained abroad, according to the General Medical Council. So they can forget about always wanting a white doctor

The title of your thread is to think older age is no excuse for sexism, racism and misogyny?

That is a generalisation, the examples you give to support it are from your own family but the whole thread title generalises the problems of sexism, racism and misogyny to an age group. (What is the distinction between sexism in misogyny in your view?).

BTW, in every generation judgementalism and binary attitudes based on characteristics is a feature of younger people. We are at our most judgemental as teens and gradually grow up to see the shades of grey.

I agree with you and find it very disrespectful and offensive to the elderly.

Yes, you are being unreasonable to hold people to standards that weren't around in their day, or your interpretation of what was in their day etc.

Since it's your FIL, it's still only an hour on a Sunday, and you're unreasonable about that, too.

Your kids and grandkids won't agree with you, when you're older, so maybe they should exclude you? Be prepared!

I mean, while I agree that a woman’s presence at home is important I did find the huge leap from women’s football to knife crime in your previous post rather amusing 😂 your mother has an active imagination! Sometimes you have to see the ridiculousness and humour aspect behind it to spare your rage.

Ignore them OP. They knew what you meant, no one is that stupid to believe you meant every single elderly person walking this planet. They choose to nit pick at your wording to waste their own time and argue for the sake of it.

To answer your original OP- while I don’t agree with some of the views I’ve witnessed from the elderly generational, and I would challenge where nessessary, I do believe a bit of leeway should be granted to some degree.

The western world has drastically changed in the past 15 years, there was once a time all that long ago when tolerance and acceptance was not engrained into society. People are products and molded by their environmental upbringing. Just because the world is how it is today, you can’t always expect an elderly person to keep up with the modern etiquette and terminologies. Are they always right? No. But they are all they know.

Additionally as a Russian woman, I can confirm that some of the views you’ve quoted from your elderly relative still hold weight in Russia today (and most of the world) The women are expected to cook, raise their children at home. Food isn’t indulged as much there so being slim is also expected. With that in mind, would you argue that the majority population of a country 70 times the size of UK are wrong? Or, would you accept they have cultural differences or grew up with different values?

Just to add that thread went on for 13 pages 😳

Because they aren’t behaving like proper mothers and looking after their sons at home. They are trying to be like men and so are neglecting their sons who then turn to crime. Even thinking about it now, makes my blood boil! It was when the women’s football was on TV.

I challenged my 76y mum who said things like mothers playing in women’s football teams is why boys get into knife crime.

What? 😂I’m genuinely intrigued how she came to that conclusion. Did she elaborate why?

Ok so how does it actually work then? Who decides what is acceptable or not to start with? And would you accept being told off like you were 2 for something someone else thinks you have done wrong yourself?

Reading comprehension levels on MN are disturbingly low . Or it’s wilful ignorance. Not sure which is worse.

Exactly. Some people really do struggle with literacy and comprehension here. Nothing the OP has said is ageist, quite the opposite. When I am older, I would hate my behaviour being put down to my age!

Sorry, what’s your point to me? Are you just summarising my comment?

So not racist then, just using outdated language

What do you think ageist means?

Maybe consult a dictionary before jumping on to win holier than thou points and making yourself look silly. Just mentioning a protected characteristic when relevant doesn't mean you are discriminating against them.

OP is being literally the exact opposite of ageist by acknowledging a) that not all older people are the same and b) they have the exact same capacity to learn, change and grow as everyone else.

I agree. It’s not age. The Aunt who I mentioned above was always a snarky troublemaker who thought she was bold and brave, “say it like it is”type. Aka rude witch.
She’s a bit worse now but it’s definitely not her age. She is 1 of 9, the only one who acts like this.

My mum was 93 when she died 7 years ago. She did become a bit more outspoken as she aged but never said anything racist or homophobic, though she could be a bit sexist - didn’t approve of women vicars for example. She had dementia but even so no racism.

Age isn’t an excuse for racism/ misogyny/ homophobia, you’re either racist, misogynistic, homophobic or you're not.

People of any age can educate themselves on what’s acceptable and what’s not nowadays if they are willing. If they hold such awful views, I’m guessing they always have and don’t see anything wrong with it.

Good on you for calling it out OP.

Of course. Everyone should be willing to be held to account for their views.

Well do you want them arrested for it? Do you want then to go sit in the corner with a dunce cap? Do you want the neighbours to come round and stage a sit in?

They are racist and sexist so now what?