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to think older age is no excuse for sexism, racism and misogyny?

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taaay · 13/06/2026 17:30

I have several older family members (75+) who frequently make comments that I find quite offensive.

Examples include saying that women do not cook these days, that children are badly behaved because mothers rush back to work, making negative comments about non white doctors, nurses and hospital staff, and suggesting that a husband leaving his wife is understandable if she gained weight after having children or did not give him enough attention.

Whenever these views are challenged, the response is usually along the lines of "it's their generation" or "they are old fashioned".

I understand that attitudes were different decades ago, but I struggle with the idea that age somehow excuses prejudice. Plenty of people from the same generation manage to treat women and people from different backgrounds with respect.

I am not expecting everyone to have the same opinions, but I do think there is a difference between having traditional views and making derogatory comments about women or other groups of people.

AIBU to think that being elderly explains where some of these attitudes came from, but does not excuse them?

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MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 14/06/2026 21:11

NeedAnyHelpWithThatPaperBag · 14/06/2026 20:00

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack

I think people are composed of many contradictory things and generally would rather give people the benefit of the doubt as I haven't walked in their shoes.

Well, you do you. Personally, I think people who choose to turn a blind eye to racism are part of the problem.

NeedAnyHelpWithThatPaperBag · 14/06/2026 20:00

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack

I think people are composed of many contradictory things and generally would rather give people the benefit of the doubt as I haven't walked in their shoes.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 14/06/2026 19:32

NeedAnyHelpWithThatPaperBag · 14/06/2026 19:18

If they're nice people apart from having some ancient views, cut them some slack with a bit of light-hearted "people don't think that way nowadays".

How is it possible to be both "nice" and "racist"?

NeedAnyHelpWithThatPaperBag · 14/06/2026 19:18

If they're nice people apart from having some ancient views, cut them some slack with a bit of light-hearted "people don't think that way nowadays".

LuckyHazelFox · 14/06/2026 18:53

taaay · 14/06/2026 17:38

No I am not. Read @CaptainMyCaptain and @ChalkOutlines replies.

Why are their replies worthy of note? You've shared your discontentment about family members. Your family are no more or less representative of any other family with political views, regardless of their composition of age, race, religion and whatever other obligatory variant you want to throw in.

taaay · 14/06/2026 17:38

Swiftie1878 · 14/06/2026 16:13

Yes you do. You’re backpedaling.

It does explain their views. If it doesn’t excuse them, what is the result of that? They’re ’cancelled’? What do you want to happen?

Your ageism is worse than their inexcusable views, as you should know better.

No I am not. Read @CaptainMyCaptain and @ChalkOutlines replies.

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CaptainMyCaptain · 14/06/2026 17:35

Swiftie1878 · 14/06/2026 16:13

Yes you do. You’re backpedaling.

It does explain their views. If it doesn’t excuse them, what is the result of that? They’re ’cancelled’? What do you want to happen?

Your ageism is worse than their inexcusable views, as you should know better.

No she's not the first post was absolutely clear. She is not lumping all older people together she is complaining about her relatives doing that.

ChalkOutlines · 14/06/2026 16:42

Swiftie1878 · 14/06/2026 16:13

Yes you do. You’re backpedaling.

It does explain their views. If it doesn’t excuse them, what is the result of that? They’re ’cancelled’? What do you want to happen?

Your ageism is worse than their inexcusable views, as you should know better.

She’s not backpedaling. In fact that’s her whole point. She knows that not all older people are like that so why is it being used as an excuse?

untamedheart · 14/06/2026 16:30

LuckyHazelFox · 14/06/2026 16:24

Selective principles, as I thought. Your inheritance, your choice.

Doesn’t everyone? Who researches the lottery to make sure nothing is funded wrongly before they grab a ticket? Or checks they don’t buy nestle? Or uses cosmetics they aren’t sure are tested on animals?
or eats none free range eggs?

everyone has things they can live with and things they can’t

if you’re at the point of needing a food bank, counting every penny, how many people would say no thank you to several million pounds because they didn’t agree with the relative giving it them (who will be dead)? Not many I don’t think

LuckyHazelFox · 14/06/2026 16:24

untamedheart · 14/06/2026 16:20

It’s family money so not exactly hard earned (he was lucky, worked briefly, retired early and has a ridiculous pension)
it amuses me that he also doesn’t know I’m not 100% white British

he has views I don’t agree with, he’s not openly racist but if you open FB and look at some of the comments like “usual suspects” and “boat people” he’s a bit below that. Mostly that “x wouldn’t happen if they were white”

people inherit money from others who might be racist but they don’t know they are. I know what he is and I’ve made a decision I can live with and a few charity places will be much richer for it

Selective principles, as I thought. Your inheritance, your choice.

untamedheart · 14/06/2026 16:20

LuckyHazelFox · 14/06/2026 16:07

Right, so you're not putting all of his hard earned money into a charity you know he wouldn't agree with. You are keeping the lion's share and making a passive aggressive donation. Just to stick your two fingers up at him.

It’s family money so not exactly hard earned (he was lucky, worked briefly, retired early and has a ridiculous pension)
it amuses me that he also doesn’t know I’m not 100% white British

he has views I don’t agree with, he’s not openly racist but if you open FB and look at some of the comments like “usual suspects” and “boat people” he’s a bit below that. Mostly that “x wouldn’t happen if they were white”

people inherit money from others who might be racist but they don’t know they are. I know what he is and I’ve made a decision I can live with and a few charity places will be much richer for it

5128gap · 14/06/2026 16:13

Unless people make a conscious effort to rethink the attitudes and beliefs they have held for a sizable chunk of their lives, it stands to reason they may be out of step with contemporary norms.
We think these attitudes are appalling because they are no longer the accepted ones. However we in our turn accept things now that future generations may end up being horrified by.
When that time comes, some of us will be open minded and listen to younger people and agree we have been wrong all our lives.
Others of us will double down and mutter what's the world coming to..? when our grandchildren tell us off for eating animals, opposing immigration or whatever.

Swiftie1878 · 14/06/2026 16:13

taaay · 14/06/2026 09:16

I was talking about my relatives. Try reading the OP.

For other people who struggle to read:

I DO NOT MEAN ALL OLDER PEOPLE.

Yes you do. You’re backpedaling.

It does explain their views. If it doesn’t excuse them, what is the result of that? They’re ’cancelled’? What do you want to happen?

Your ageism is worse than their inexcusable views, as you should know better.

LuckyHazelFox · 14/06/2026 16:07

untamedheart · 14/06/2026 15:59

of course I will. It’s a life changing amount of money and I don’t know many people that live alone earning just above minimum wage that would turn it down on principle
i could have lied and said I’m not going to accept being in his will, why would I lie about donating?
I can take 100k out the money easily and find a relevant charity

or I can turn it down on principle, never be able to pay my mortgage off and not be able to give to charity
my morals are perfectly happy with the first option

His attitude is no worse than people I see posting on FB

Right, so you're not putting all of his hard earned money into a charity you know he wouldn't agree with. You are keeping the lion's share and making a passive aggressive donation. Just to stick your two fingers up at him.

untamedheart · 14/06/2026 15:59

LuckyHazelFox · 14/06/2026 15:35

Yeah of course you will. Instead of telling him not to leave any money to you - on principle of course - you are going to donate it 😂

of course I will. It’s a life changing amount of money and I don’t know many people that live alone earning just above minimum wage that would turn it down on principle
i could have lied and said I’m not going to accept being in his will, why would I lie about donating?
I can take 100k out the money easily and find a relevant charity

or I can turn it down on principle, never be able to pay my mortgage off and not be able to give to charity
my morals are perfectly happy with the first option

His attitude is no worse than people I see posting on FB

LuckyHazelFox · 14/06/2026 15:35

untamedheart · 14/06/2026 15:32

My dad is worse with age, he’s 76 and I’ve tried numerous times to correct that he doesn’t say coloured but…
my uncle is awful. I am set to inherit a shit load of money from him so I avoid much contact and plan to donate some of the money to a charity he would hate

Yeah of course you will. Instead of telling him not to leave any money to you - on principle of course - you are going to donate it 😂

untamedheart · 14/06/2026 15:32

My dad is worse with age, he’s 76 and I’ve tried numerous times to correct that he doesn’t say coloured but…
my uncle is awful. I am set to inherit a shit load of money from him so I avoid much contact and plan to donate some of the money to a charity he would hate

CaptainMyCaptain · 14/06/2026 15:23

ToWhitToWhoo · 14/06/2026 15:17

As regards ageism, I think it is MORE ageist to explain and excuse unpleasant attitudes and comments on the grounds that 'they're older' than to call out such attitudes.

Unless someone is not only old, but has been living under a rock for the last 60 years or so, you cannot explain some of these views as 'just their age', ans it is patronizing to do so.

If people are actually suffering from a degree of dementia, then this may indeed be an excuse at least for a lack of filter. But not just age as such.

Yes.

CaptainMyCaptain · 14/06/2026 15:23

ChalkOutlines · 14/06/2026 14:38

Then why do people use it as an excuse, even on here?

I think that was the OP's point.

ToWhitToWhoo · 14/06/2026 15:17

As regards ageism, I think it is MORE ageist to explain and excuse unpleasant attitudes and comments on the grounds that 'they're older' than to call out such attitudes.

Unless someone is not only old, but has been living under a rock for the last 60 years or so, you cannot explain some of these views as 'just their age', ans it is patronizing to do so.

If people are actually suffering from a degree of dementia, then this may indeed be an excuse at least for a lack of filter. But not just age as such.

LuckyHazelFox · 14/06/2026 14:57

taaay · 14/06/2026 11:32

Yes that is exactly what I want!

They have been racist to hospital staff but they are old, so forget the hospital staff. They should put up and shut up.

There's quite a few members of society who are also expected to just put up and shut up. Women being the top of the list. I will save my faux shock horror for my fellow sisters, when every insulting reference to women is combated the same. The dated "ok boomer: and "karen" comments from kids.Anything to say there?

BreakingBroken · 14/06/2026 14:56

With age comes a life of experience some of those are negative experiences. Those experiences add up and form their opinion based on their life.
Others have very little influence, what you can do is listen and IF you choose ask why.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 14/06/2026 14:53

SinceYouSaySo · 14/06/2026 14:52

No, it's my way of saying I don't care about your opinion if you don't care about mine. I don't try to pursue intellectual discourse with people who want an echo chamber or a mirror.

OK love.

Monty36 · 14/06/2026 14:52

ChalkOutlines · 14/06/2026 14:38

Then why do people use it as an excuse, even on here?

I don’t think they do.
Often what happens is someone has described a situation and tried to explain why the older person has responded or would behave in a certain way. Not excused. Explained.
I would add perhaps these labels are wafted around a bit too readily.
I have met a racist once in my life. A real one. It has stayed with me all my life. Yet people often say ‘that is racist and this and that’. The attitude behind the words is what matters.
I have long been subjected to prejudice myself. From family, school, work. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. But I have learnt over the years that there are people who say all the right things but I can tell their attitude doesn’t match their words. They just know the right words to say.
And sometimes people say the wrong words, but their attitude is right. And they mean no harm.

SinceYouSaySo · 14/06/2026 14:52

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 14/06/2026 14:46

Lol. I guess that's one way of saying "I don't know how to answer that point".

No, it's my way of saying I don't care about your opinion if you don't care about mine. I don't try to pursue intellectual discourse with people who want an echo chamber or a mirror.