Bloody sick of men. Oh it’s the immigrants raping and stabbing, NO it’s men. Always fucking men

As I said, of course, it’s not a reason to import more. My issues are:

1. people could show a similar level of upset regarding native attackers
2. the assumption that all immigrants are a risk, based on the actions of others when we wouldn’t accept that generalisation in other groups (ie it’s not all men)
3. burning the property of perfectly law abiding citizens based on either their skin colour or perceived immigration status

The idea that we should be equally outraged about all crimes, regardless of who perpetrated them being unusual is genuinely baffling to me

You can't think of anything remarkable about Henry Nowak's murder? Really?

My argument is that rape and sexual assault are not punished often enough or severely enough, full stop. As the vast majority of these offences are committed by British born offenders, the majority of people benefiting from that leniency are British born.

So allowing even more men in to wander around freely who originate from the places where are per capita they are more likely to rape is going to further overwhelm our justice system and lead to even less punishment for all. Surely that’s obvious?

Just because the - for want of a better word some-'native' men of Britain are shit it is no reason to import more men from countries with a terrible track record as regards their treatment of women into the country.

It would be imbecilic to poke a hole in your bedroom roof just because your living room has water coming through the ceiling

As your rant is quite 'in yer face', I'm going to be a bit in yer face and tell you that your post - not you personally-is fooking stupid.

Yes, Henry nowak wasn't beheaded on the street was he. He was stabbed. Plenty of other people have been stabbed without a riot ensuing.

This.

Ive repeated it so many times it’s starting to lose meaning. I’ll go for caps, see if it helps.

WHY DO WE ONLY SEE VIOLENT DISORDER IN RESPONSE TO CRIMES COMMITTED BY FOREIGN BORN CRIMINALS. SPECIFICALLY BROWN ONES.

Andrew Tate was an example of someone who treats women appallingly, replace him with anyone you like. Why don’t gangs of men care to burn the streets for other crimes. That’s my only question in this sub really. And apart from “well we’ve got loads of our own criminal, let’s not import more” - I’ve got no answer.

its a fair argument, but it doesn’t touch the point of why there’s not the same outrage when one of our own does something similar (or worse)

Why are you so fixated on riots for everything?

Do you understand the difference in public horror levels between a man attempting to behead and remove another’s eyes on the street and these awful but sadly far more common cases of rape?

No. If that were my argument, I’d have made it.

My argument is that rape and sexual assault are not punished often enough or severely enough, full stop. As the vast majority of these offences are committed by British born offenders, the majority of people benefiting from that leniency are British born.

I’ve read many sentencing remarks involving both British born and foreign born offenders. Happy to read a shed load more if you have lots of examples of foreign born attackers being let off because they didn’t know rape was wrong. My understanding has been that that narrative is used in the media, but rarely reflected in the actual sentencing. But as I said, my daughter’s attacker was let off for being the family breadwinner, so if you are right about foreign attackers being excused for their culture, it’s no different to the excuses we afford people born here.

The bottom line is we do not punish men harshly enough for their treatment of women. All men.

And we’ve got men like Andre Tate et al preaching about the inferiority of women and creating hatred towards them and no one does anything…

Eh? You claimed that no one did anything about him. I pointed out that a huge amount was done about him.

Now you imply not enough was done because there weren’t riots??

I don’t understand your comment about no AT content left on the internet because the government lobbied against. Are you suggesting that there is no Islamic extremism content left on the internet now? Because you couldn’t be any more wrong.

Yes it's men, however, given that we already have a problem with indigenous male violence, it's compounding the problem to allow thousands of foreign young men in to our country, who come from places where rape isn't even a crime and women are seen as lesser than. Why add to the problem?

Perhaps we should refuse entry to the UK to all men and let women immigrants in. We could introduce a one in one out system, one woman gets asylum from an oppressive country, one of our home gown thugs takes her place.

The cases of foreign born men typically end up being high profile and punished with prison sentences (rightly).

Are you actually arguing, in light of the very very long list of foreign born or origin rapists and murderers that have their excuses that they didn’t know rape was illegal etc etc taken into account in sentencing and deportation are being punished more harshly than British origin?

Try looking up some of the many relevant case and reading the judges comments - it’s not just one example as you claim - it’s many.

No i didn’t miss it.

might’ve missed where there’s no Andre Tate type content left on the internet though because the government have lobbied against it. Or the riots over his outrageous comments?

Don’t remember the riots for that case?

of course some get a bit of a attention after the fact, but given the number of cases there are, they absolutely are not raged about as much as they should be and certainly not as much as they are when the attacker is born outside the UK. It’s inarguable.

I think you’ll find there was a high profile Europe wide campaign to shut him down also run in UK schools and across government at the highest levels as well as several arrests and I think a jail term.

My kids were subjected to multiple schools assemblies on the evils of Andrew Tate.

Did you miss that?

I can only find three that were jailed 10 years ago (so will be out now). One was more recent but he had an international high profile and hard for the authorities to ignore.

You just need to look at the internet and see who is preaching openly and repeatedly - they clearly have no fear of sanctions. Do you think that police forces that refuse to prosecute repeated rapists in the name of ‘community relations’ will be rushing to shut down these guys?

And we’ve got men like Andre Tate et al preaching about the inferiority of women and creating hatred towards them and no one does anything…

And those cases do result in outrage. Look at the recent case in Fordinbridge, it was only public outcry that has resulted in review.

I don’t think anyone is saying that?

I think what people are repeatedly saying (and for some reason being ignored) is that the faux outrage over protecting “our own” only comes when the perpetrator is foreign born. We have hundreds of awful crimes a day that go by without a peep.

You’ve missed a bit though - a large part of the anger is being driven by the fact that foreign men are not being properly punished or not prosecuted at all.

really? My anger is that the British born men I come across aren’t being punished properly or at all, that was the literal point I was making.

The cases of foreign born men typically end up being high profile and punished with prison sentences (rightly).

there was a case where a boy was not imprisoned as the judge said he was too immature to understand his actions (which was completely flabbergasting in itself) which was quickly turned to “he was let off because the judge said he didn’t understand his actions because of the place he was born accepting that treatment of women, which was completely fabricated and not at all reflected in the sentencing notes.

As is so often the way, Janice Turner is extremely articulate on this. To pretend that men who have come from a background of extreme violence and from countries where women have no rights do not present additional risk is just wilfully naive.

yes British born men are also violent misogynists. That doesn’t mean that adding hundreds of thousands of young men from these culture is ok.

Blaming social media for riots misses the point

www.thetimes.com/article/4a28b9e5-d816-4cb1-9955-bc926430a5b4?shareToken=6194b3a3a883ae5171ec54c557aa7d2f

So a young white British male living in a deprived area is everybit as likely to commit acts of violence as a young black Sudanese man living in a deprived area.

That is not remotely true. There is no data that says that.

If you look at the horrific brutality in Sudan, in a state of civil war for the last 30 years under Islamic rule and think that is not going to have a negative impact on it’s citizens and their attitudes to ultra violence compared with a white British boy brought up in a peaceful country with a developed justice system system and (mostly) effective police force, I think you are denying the obvious reality for your political beliefs.

The authorities know that there are imams in UK mosques preaching terrible things about their hatred for Western values and that things like stoning women is acceptable

Where, please, is your evidence that the authorities know about this and do nothing? Because over the years radical imams have been jailed.

Agreed.

I am so sick and tired of all these instances of men raping and abusing women and girls and even children. And of male violence, rampant entitlement and toxicity in general.

Not to mention the fact that some judges keep letting them get away with rape/abuse/domestic violence with light or no prison sentences.

Misogyny is also all over social media and very little is done to address that too.

Some of these men follow religions that tell to see women as property and lesser human beings which adds to the problem.

I am 55 and when I look at my life so far there are countless episodes when I was faced with male violence and misogyny. It started in childhood at home and at school and it continued throughout my adult years.

I don't think there is an easy solution but the first step is definitely to accept that there is a problem with men's behaviour and to say that we will not put up with it anymore. No more ''not all men'' or ''be kind'...