Bloody sick of men. Oh it’s the immigrants raping and stabbing, NO it’s men. Always fucking men

But are you saying that any country or race is not worse?

As in, you think there are no patterns and all countries/ cultures are the same?

Because to me it does at the moment feel like you want to be the teller of hard truths (that everyone agrees with — it’s men), but when it comes to a truth you find uncomfortable (and some men much more than others) then suddenly not so brave.

I just want proper data on this for the UK. Data from European countries shows a stark disparity in sexual offending rate by country of origin. Men rightly have to face facts: we commit the vast majority of sexual crime. But we shouldn’t be drawing the veil over any offending patterns for reasons of politeness or politics.

I don't think you can unpick the irrational and childish 'rationale'. If you're coming from the angle that it's only white 'far' right men who are the problem, then it's pointless wasting time trying to reason. In the meantime, it's a great destraction from the real societal threat. I think I will keep my wits about me protecting me and my own, as will many other women.

Goading. OP is a goader

Wow at yourself. Brown noser

Of course it’s not accepted. While in this country we have significant male violence, we also have a society and legal system that, at least in principle, protects women and upholds their rights. Is this entirely satisfactory? No it’s not. Is it many orders of magnitude better than systems in which women have no rights and are actually punished for the male violence against them, well clearly yes!

Saying that we can’t object to immigrant violence until there is no violence by white British men is such a ridiculous argument it’s hard to know where to start.

There is rioting because people do not want immigrants from foreign cultures steeped in misogyny and violence living here in Britain, committing crimes of horrendous violence, and then to be told they are racist for objecting. Some of the rioters doubtless are racist thugs, nobody is going to argue with you about that, but they reflect a real and serious issue that apologists like those on these thread are unwilling to engage with honestly.

Deporting illegals immigrants and criminals is not going to make it any less likely that British offenders will be dealt with properly.

I didn't realise only white men see women as chattels. I don't really think you wanting to be opening that can of worms.

Agree.
I don't trust liberal-or what liberal has come to mean today-men at all with their stupid ideas that ALL cultures (not race) can peacefully co-exist.
Not when one culture says that women should be hidden away and the other says the opposite they can't.

And don't get me started on the ones who think a man should be allowed to put on a dress announce he's a woman and be allowed in women's spaces...

Or maybe some are unhappy and think stabbing a white woman to death with a screwdriver, attempting to behead a white man, attempting to behead another white man who served in the armed forces, needs to be addressed. I don't see why they are judged by higher standards. There's a cultural pattern of both perpetrator and victim.

If the far right get their way and all immigrants and non-whites are ousted from the UK, they still won't care about male violence. You're delusional if you imagine they'll care one jot if Dan or Pete rape or murder British women. Just look at Farage's reaction to the murder of Sarah Everard.

They're using violence against women as an excuse to target all immigrants and once their work is done they'll conveniently forget all about it, because many of their white male followers beat their wives. If it's white men harming women, it's fine in their eyes. They just don't like brown or black men touching what they deem to be their property.

Apart from the police guidance literally telling them to treat people differently according to their race or religion. It wasn’t unique, there are many other reported situations. It’s just that the outcome of this one was the worst.

Well, the rioters do seem to be a type so I wouldn’t be surprised if they are women beaters, many seem to be just thugs

I think she makes a valid point

Rape and murder by immigrants could well be highlighted more than that by British white men.

What a disgusting, utterly ridiculous un evidenced and misandrist claim. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Is the British government denying that there is a problem with British men raping and murdering women?

Are they hiding information on their crime rates and trying to silence people from speaking out about it?

It's not accepted at all. I don't know why you can't understand why men do not for every act of domestic violence, rape or murder of women. The reason they riot - whether you agree with riots or not - is because they are seeing the ingratitude of some immigrants/asylum seekers thinking they can inflict their barbaric culture on western women. Unless you're saying every single rioter is a woman beater.

But it seems to be accepted almost if it’s a British man! Nothing to do with British values! NO MAN SHOULD BE FUCKING DOING IT WHITE OR OTHERWISE

You know why it is don't you. Why they have a problem with immigrants raping and murdering but not white men. Because it offends them that these men are using THEIR property.

It's not that they think men shouldn't rape women. It's that they think other men shouldn't rape THEIR women. It's disrespectful to them that men are coming to THEIR country and raping THEIR women.

Like how when they go to other countries and invade, they rape and kill the women there, not because those women deserve it, because it's attacking the men those women belong to that "we raped your women".

Women and children are no less mens property than horses and houses.

I would have thought that was self explanatory. Invaders, who don't want to live by British values, or worse, want to rape or kill British women or girls, aren't welcome and can be deported.

No, your point is that it's far right men. Far right/racist/misogynistic yawn yawn. If you're really saying it's all men, I don't know why you're adding what side of the political spectrum they are on. Where do you place the lefty thug who battered to death a seagull, or the hard left thugs who like to attack women for wanting to protect single sex spaces?

Saying something repeatedly or in capitals doesn’t make it any more sensible or relevant.

Andrew Tate is one rather sad and pathetic man who had a brief burst of fame as an antidote to the white boys being constantly told by society that everything is their fault. His bubble burst rather rapidly and he was successfully exposed for the shit person he is.

Those in authority identified his influence as being malign and dealt with him accordingly.

Again, who do you think should have been rioting and to what end?

The enormous world of difference in the current situation is that something bad is happening - mass and apparently uncontrolled immigration which has caused some very specific and utterly horrific harms but those in authority have, until now, denied there is any real problem and blamed us for objecting rather than criminals abusing our immigration system and harming our country.

Thats why we’re getting riots - because the public feel like they are not being listened to and are still being blamed for objecting even when we are being murdered.

Now finally people are starting to wake up and the Immigration law monitor has raised this as a threat to national security. But the worry is that it’s too late. The men are here and EU law is working against us.

Can you see that difference?

So where’s the riots for when the British men are raping and murdering women? there is none, this is point! There’s only riots when it’s an immigrant.

Not to 75% of the posters who agree with the OP, it isn't.
If this is an accurate representation of how the majority of women in this country feel, then much as I hate to say it, maybe there is a shred of truth in the paternalistic idea that we need protecting from ourselves.

This is the reasoning:
A lot of British men are shit. I know, why don't we import even more men who originate from countries with an even worse track record as regards their treatment of women in?

For the love of God, please make it make sense. 😕

"Failed to carry out their duties" is one way of putting it I guess.

Of course I can. The situation was unique.

There are lots of situations where the police have failed to carry out their duties and let down a member of the public that didn’t result in violent disorder though.

and the differentiator here is the attackers skin colour. Despite the judge, and the family, saying race played no part in the killing