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Britain poorer than Mississippi

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BritishMississippi · 12/06/2026 16:52

Our GDP per capita has now dipped to the level of America’s poorest state. It’s not dipped below due solely to London. We’ve been on a spiral for the last twenty years that means our children are facing not being able to find jobs and even the jobs they can find have miserable wages attached to them. AIBU that we need to engage quite seriously with how to bring the country out of this spiral in a meaningful way?

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EmeraldShamrock000 · 12/06/2026 21:05

It doesn’t surprise me.
It is awful that there has been a massive lack of investment in many areas, then writing the people off as lazy when there are no manufacturing roles or jobs available in the areas.

Northermcharn · 12/06/2026 21:03

BIossomtoes · 12/06/2026 20:52

Taxes would have to be raised differently. If AI replaced human jobs taxation would have to be reengineered so the companies benefiting from having little or no wage bill were more heavily taxed on their profits.

Ha ha - yeah. Good luck gvt getting taxes from big companies to pay people benefits

mondaytosunday · 12/06/2026 21:01

Yes yes that stat is brought out a lot but it’s meaningless. It ignores the massive wealth inequality of the state, cost of living differences ,and UK’s massive social safety nets (NHS, for example.
The exact same thing can be said of Germany, France and even Japan. All have GDP per capita less than Mississippi.

Northermcharn · 12/06/2026 21:01

Tiredalwaystired · 12/06/2026 20:42

The poster even said we had been in a downwards spiral for 20 years. 24 of those Tory. Including Brexit. Try again.

I'm not sure why people keep going on about brexit and the tories. Well i am sure actually, but it's erroneous to do so in this case (and others but now isn't the time or place). If we look at the rest of Europe GDP it wouldn't be Much different, Germany, Italy, France etc they're going through the same things as the UK, it's not just the UK (no surprises why). How do They compare to Mississippi? I don't know. They didn't look at life quality at all.. pretty sure the UK and rest of Europe has a higher Quality of life than Mississippi. Which for eg. leads the USA in gun deaths (that's the usa where the most likely cause of death for a person under 19 is guns). The Atlantic loves slating GB..

Niftywigglesheep · 12/06/2026 20:58

TheDandyLion · 12/06/2026 17:06

How does the UK compare to Mississippi on life expectancy, crime, prison population, absolute poverty, education or public services?

Or is GDP the only good measure of wealth for a headline?

In Britain ours is shocking!!

Education in its knees (im
a state school teacher / it’s horrendous)

Zero public services/ long ambulance waits, no nhs dentist. Hard to see a doctor

Prison population full and it doesn’t work

england is not a good country to live in at the moment. It’s been run to the ground. Taxes to the max , poverty is increasing . A lot of people are suffering from the cost of living.

BIossomtoes · 12/06/2026 20:52

Taxes would have to be raised differently. If AI replaced human jobs taxation would have to be reengineered so the companies benefiting from having little or no wage bill were more heavily taxed on their profits.

Northermcharn · 12/06/2026 20:44

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 19:06

What frightens me the most about all of this is AI hasn’t even kicked in yet. Over the next three years there’s going to be more and more job losses and I’m honestly not sure what happens then. I’ve listened to so many podcasts and can find nothing to put my mind at ease. Swathes of middle England is going to be unemployed and suddenly reliant on benefits.

And soon there won't Be m/any benefits. Benefits need working people - no jobs no taxes not benefits. Then what? I don't know.

Tiredalwaystired · 12/06/2026 20:42

NotAnotherScarf · 12/06/2026 16:56

One word Labour

The poster even said we had been in a downwards spiral for 20 years. 24 of those Tory. Including Brexit. Try again.

BIossomtoes · 12/06/2026 20:28

bafta16 · 12/06/2026 20:27

Not if they can cut hair or build a wall.

This is I think the future. Employment royalty will be people with jobs that can only be done by humans.

bafta16 · 12/06/2026 20:27

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 19:06

What frightens me the most about all of this is AI hasn’t even kicked in yet. Over the next three years there’s going to be more and more job losses and I’m honestly not sure what happens then. I’ve listened to so many podcasts and can find nothing to put my mind at ease. Swathes of middle England is going to be unemployed and suddenly reliant on benefits.

Not if they can cut hair or build a wall.

bafta16 · 12/06/2026 20:25

TheFrendo · 12/06/2026 18:49

This 10,000,000 immigrants did not come cheap.

Serco certainly does well out of them.

BIossomtoes · 12/06/2026 20:23

OonaStubbs · 12/06/2026 20:21

State benefits need to be wound down and eventually abolished.

You should have been born 200 years ago, you’d have felt completely at home.

OonaStubbs · 12/06/2026 20:21

State benefits need to be wound down and eventually abolished.

SpottyAlpaca · 12/06/2026 20:18

TheKittenswithMittens · 12/06/2026 17:05

A huge increase in the size of the non-working population hasn't helped.

Exactly. There are now more than 9 million workless adults aged 18-64 in the U.K. Source : ONS.

That is completely unsustainable. The policies of successive governments have made a life on benefits a viable alternative to working for a living & contributing to the economy. People being allowed to claim long-term sickness & disability benefits for mostly spurious reasons of anxiety, depression etc is a racket which is bankrupting the country. It also creates gaps in the labour market which governments have addressed by allowing uncontrolled mass immigration of unskilled workers & their dependents from third world countries. This has created the social tensions which we can all see are incubating extremism & tearing this country apart.

It is inevitable that the government will be forced to take real action to tackle these issues soon. The alternative is that the financial markets will do it for them, the consequences of which don’t bear thinking about.

OonaStubbs · 12/06/2026 20:17

Elon Musk is the modern-day equivalent of Henry Ford.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 20:03

Hating on Elon Musk is pretty ridiculous. As another poster has said he has started unique businesses from scratch. He’s not some oligarch that’s robbed from
the state.

BritishMississippi · 12/06/2026 19:47

We have 1 out of 8 people 16-24 are now NEET (not in education, employment or training. There simply aren’t the jobs. Education isn’t matching the jobs that are available. We need an education system tied to an economy that produces opportunities. The decline of the Uk over the last 20 years is WELL documented and not false news. We need a serious conversation beyond rejoin the EU. We could have done things to mitigate the effects of leaving the EU and did not. We continue to do very little.

Net contributors are stuck somewhere around 46% which means most people are taking rather than giving to the system. By region ONLY london, the SE and the east of England are contributors. This really should shock more people how reliant we are on a small part of the country. It shows systemic failure. We are tied up in conversations about who uses which bathroom while the very fabric of society is being worn so thin it may fail.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/young-people-and-work-interim-report/young-people-and-work-interim-report

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EasternStandard · 12/06/2026 19:37

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 12/06/2026 19:06

What frightens me the most about all of this is AI hasn’t even kicked in yet. Over the next three years there’s going to be more and more job losses and I’m honestly not sure what happens then. I’ve listened to so many podcasts and can find nothing to put my mind at ease. Swathes of middle England is going to be unemployed and suddenly reliant on benefits.

Yep that’s really bad, Labour seem silent on this. After hitting the labour market already.

BiteSizeByzantine · 12/06/2026 19:36

BigYellowBus · 12/06/2026 16:54

One word - Brexit

Watch turd towns on YouTube. Its been going on far longer than Brexit

Namechangergtr · 12/06/2026 19:34

TheFrendo · 12/06/2026 18:49

This 10,000,000 immigrants did not come cheap.

Who do you think is staffing the NHS, care homes, working as home carers, working in fields picking your fruit and veg, delivering your fast food and Amazon parcels?

KateSixer · 12/06/2026 19:24

JHound · 12/06/2026 19:00

It’s ok I saw it said “back of the envelope comparison” which means it’s probably just a random excel screenshot created by an X user.

What on earth are you talking about?

Goatsarebest · 12/06/2026 19:21

The Gini Coefficient has the USA 25th highest (higher the less even wealth distribution) in the world on wealth inequality and UK is 140. Nothing to do with how much wealth per Country but how it is distributed within the Country. So despite what we may think, the wealth we create is fairly evenly distributed compared to the rest of the world. Which is why you need to look at the whole picture.
Worst European Country is Sweden and best European Country is North Macedonia.

Pansykavalier · 12/06/2026 19:17

As the Newsweek article quoted above explains, GDP is not the whole picture:

"The 'perception' of higher disposable income comes from the way Americans are forced to spend money out-of-pocket on things those other countries fund through taxes and social programs. If I'm paying 50 percent in taxes elsewhere but get real benefits like public transportation through infrastructure spending, pensions for retirement and universal healthcare, then sure, it looks like taxes are higher, but the costs are bundled differently."

The fact is that, in most European countries including the UK, people generally have a better overall quality of life than Americans. Also, one really needs to visit Mississippi - or many of the poorer US states like West Virginia or Alabama, to see what real, abject poverty looks like.

As for the UK, until we come to an agreement to rejoin the single market, Brexit will continue to slow us down. It’ll probably take well over ten years to rejoin the EU, but ultimately that is the only sensible solution. Of course we’ll never regain the very favourable terms we had before we left.

SinceYoureGayAndAddictedToHeroin · 12/06/2026 19:14

Goatsarebest · 12/06/2026 19:03

10 years down the line and still blaming and blaming and blaming. Start looking for some solutions and ideas to move on. It's getting really old. One of the reasons the UK is in such a mess and polarised is people like yourself with their righteous ingination and inability to see anything but their own point of view and just won't accept a democratic decision and always blame and label. All you do is entrench political thinking.
History is full of poor decisions, politicians misrepresenting situations for their own ends with devastating consequences and society having to embrace and change to realities. We were mislead on Brexit, as we are misled every political campaign there has ever been. But it's history now. Solutions and leadership is needed.
What do you actually achieve by this constant labelling and blaming. Does it make you feel superior or something.

The only polarisation is in your post. All I've done is post bare facts.

We were mislead on Brexit

I wasn't. I did my own thinking which obviously led me to know that it would be a disaster. From the tone of your post I assume you're one of the delusional fantasists who voted for it, and are angry on being called out for what you have done to this country.

Well, tough luck. I know it's difficult to accept that you were fooled, that you're a mug, and that's why you're lashing out at me for pointing out the truth, but that's not my problem.

10 years is nothing. You don't get to handwave this away because it's been that long. The cost is HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF POUNDS and continues to cost us, as it will for DECADES.

Every one of the points on my list is the fault of Tory/Reform/Brexit supporters/the right wing/whatever you want to call them. And now those people have the absolute nerve to say that the solution is more of the same.

You won. Get over it.

perlan · 12/06/2026 19:14

I'm no statistician and I admit to not having much knowledge about GDP etc., however would a better comparator be a similar sized country in the EU? For example, France, Germany, Sweden or wherever. Countries that have plenty of immigration both visa led and asylum seeker, have very generous social supports and benefits, have affordable and efficient health care.

The result might be even worse than comparing UK with Mississippi!

My point is that leaving the EU was catastrophic. UK is the very epitome of an isolated island now.

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