Ckear support for proscribed terrorist groups must be treated very seriously

Deluded Britains, whoever they work for, are still deluded to the influence of Islamism, which is becoming a real threat worldwide. We need to be less "woke" and fight against this in our society.

I thought PA was suspected to be funded by the terror state of Iran? That's why it's proscribed.

Anyway - this is good news:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce950111xk7o

Some of the PA folk are quite mad. And some are very bad.

After a certain point, if they are that determined to carry on you just need to treat them all the same.

Can't we just find somewhere isolated to send them all? Maybe a disused oil platform or something?!

Whatever your view of the issues they don't benefit from being played out in the streets of the UK.

OK Hamas are a proscribed Islamist terror organisation. I’m not here to support them in any way, sorry if I’ve used different wording to you. Mine was still factual.

@HobGobblynne ”Hamas is an Islamist armed group”

Hamas are an Islamist terrorist organisation.

I didn’t say you did. Perhaps you’re not best placed to respond to the comment aimed at someone else, who had brought up islamism several times.

Of course you can support Palestine without supporting PA. In fact, if I were the protesting type, that’s exactly what I would do. I haven’t got enough knowledge to know if they should have been proscribed, but the fact that they have been means you know what action you’ll face for publicly supporting them so could just as easily express solidarity without using that name.

Yes it is (currently).

That doesn’t explain why people keep bringing up Islamism.

Sorry tagged the wrong person it was @faithfultoGeorgeMichael

Support for Palestine Action doesn’t automatically map onto support for Hamas, and it definitely doesn’t map onto Islamism. They’re distinct things being conflated for effect.

Hamas is an Islamist armed group, yes, but Gazans are not all Hamas.

Criticism of Israel’s conduct or support for Palestinian civilians doesn’t require any religious or political affiliation.

By that logic, you’d also have to assume opposition to historical atrocities was limited to the victims’ in-groups, which obviously isn’t true. People opposed the Holocaust without being Jewish, just as people can oppose what’s happening in Gaza without supporting Hamas or Islamism.

People arrested in Palestine Action protests have included retirees, academics, healthcare workers, clergy members, students, former professionals & activists from a range of backgrounds. A wide range, certainly not majority islamists or deluded students.

Well who supports them? Islamists at the core, the deluded British students who have fallen for the propaganda. Gaza won't be free until Hamas are gone. And the people in Gaza right now who are against Hamas are being killed and/or raped. Hamas are Islamists and matching right now in support of PA is support for Hamas.

What does Islamism have to do with Palestine Action? There’s no mention of religion in their stated aims. They present themselves as a direct action group focused on opposing the arms industry and its links to Israel, so it seems like you’re conflating completely separate things. You can criticise their tactics without bringing Islamism into it.

Again with the Islamism rhetoric 🥴

@FSCEme Policing speech and playing "gotcha racist" is so fucking stupid right now. There are a majority of law abiding British muslims in the UK and there are also small groups that think Islamic principles and Sharia law should dominate a society's political, legal, and social systems. These are called Islamist by my culturally muslim SIL. It is a commonly used term.

However, I was not aware any Muslims killed in the last 5 years for their religious beliefs, can you send me some links? I can't find any googling, the most recent I can see was Ali Makram in 2017, which is horrifying, but not relevant to the war in Gaza or this conversation.

I agree. And the marches should be banned. And I'm fed up of UK politicians running on "Gaza". Lets put the UK constituents and their needs first. Islamism has no place in UK society and we need to clamp down on it hard and fast.

@ENGLANDalltheway why did you ask if the PP was aware Jewish people had been killed in the UK, what was the relevance of that on the context of this conversation?

So protesting at an ongoing genocide is terrorism?

Yes I know Jewish people have been killed and it’s unacceptable, abhorrent. I also know Muslims have been and are currently been killed or attacked based partly on the colour of their skin or their ethnicity. It’s not a competition.

and no, you called them “Islamists” which like I said is very telling about your prejudice. Perhaps you don’t feel strongly enough about injustice to be able to understand why people are reacting so shockingly to the genocide in Palestine (and other genocides across the world right now).