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What exactly is the strictness in English schools actually achieving?

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WaitAMinutePlease · 11/06/2026 21:08

I’ve been on Mumsnet for years and one thing that genuinely puzzles me is how strict many English schools seem to be.

The thread today about the little boy with severe leg pain, and his mum asked if he could temporarily leave school at 1.30pm instead of 3.30pm because he’s struggling physically. The school apparently refused and said they wouldn’t “release” him. (Sorry? You won’t ‘release’ MY child??? WTAF!)

I see similar threads all the time. Parents being threatened with fines over attendance, children not being allowed time off for family holidays, requests for flexibility being refused, schools insisting on attendance despite medical issues that are still being investigated, and so on.

I’m Irish, and honestly this feels ridiculous to me. Irish schools are generally much more pragmatic. If a child was struggling with a health issue, even one that hadn’t yet been formally diagnosed, most schools would work with the parents. Reduced hours, work sent home, flexibility around attendance, none of that would seem remotely controversial. Equally, while schools don’t encourage term-time holidays, taking children out of school for a family holiday isn’t generally treated as some major disciplinary issue.

What I don’t understand is what the strictness is actually achieving. Ireland has a higher proportion of students progressing to third-level education than England by a mile (approx 76% vs 46%), so it’s not obvious to me that a highly punitive attendance culture produces better educational outcomes.

So my question is: why are English schools like this?

Is it government pressure? Ofsted? League tables? Funding linked to attendance? Or is it actually genuinely believed that this level of strictness benefits children?

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noblegiraffe · 11/06/2026 21:36

I see similar threads all the time. Parents being threatened with fines over attendance, children not being allowed time off for family holidays, requests for flexibility being refused, schools insisting on attendance despite medical issues that are still being investigated, and so on.

Because attendance at English schools is absolutely shocking so there is huge top-down pressure from the government via Ofsted and other targets to improve it.

Schools don’t issue the fines, that’s not up to them either.

Honeyhonay · 11/06/2026 21:34

I don’t think English schools are particular strict in general. I’ve gone to school in NI, had a child in school in England and have children in school in NI and haven’t noticed a difference in their strictness. In some ways NI is stricter on uniform and things like that.
The main difference is no fines but that is set coming from the LA not the school.

ACynicalDad · 11/06/2026 21:33

It creates an atmosphere where children can learn, secondary school standards is the one thing that has improved in the last 20 years

Too many children in secondary schools have no self discipline and can't regulate themselves well enough, so schools have to be very prescriptive.

I'd send my kids to Michaela any day if I lived around there.

GeneralPeter · 11/06/2026 21:32

Probably the strictest school, Michaela, has got the best Progress 8 scores for the third year in a row.

(I think a lot of that will be becuase of the signalling, ie attracting the right parents, but still it’s impressive).

Re Ireland - I don’t know. Maybe the causality runs the other way: your parenting is better so schooling doesn’t have to be as strict?

followtheswallow · 11/06/2026 21:27

A common saying amongst headteachers is that if you take care of the small things, the big things take care of themselves

a lot of the time it means SLT surrounding a child with no blazer while a fight goes on elsewhere, of course.

scalt · 11/06/2026 21:24

I wonder if there’s an inherent need by governments and head teachers to be “seen to be doing something”. Imposing and enforcing petty rules is often a way of achieving this. Issuing fines for non attendance is a way of the govt and schools being “seen to do something”, meeting targets. New head teachers have a habit of changing uniform rules to “make their mark” on a school.

And I think this might have been the reason behind many of the absurd roolz of 2020: a need by the govt to be “seen to be doing something”. Locking the playgrounds and plastering those vile markers on pavements about social distancing (the biggest oxymoron that ever existed) was a way of being seen to do something, distracting us from the parties which certainly did not happen in Downing Street.

LizandDerekGoals · 11/06/2026 21:22

When parents stop parenting something else needs to do more.