What exactly is the strictness in English schools actually achieving?

Btw for the number 1 achievers… the Danish…

Here’s their attitude to holidays…
https://www.reddit.com/r/foraeldreDK/comments/1i9uaoq/holdninger_til_ferie_uden_for_skoleferie/?tl=en

Danish headteacher:
Headmaster here.
Be careful in the first years, a lot happens socially and being away for two weeks can be a very long time in 0th grade. In the weeks leading up to the holidays, a lot happens socially, trips out of the house and other things. Orient yourselves in the yearly plans and feel free to ask the class teacher beforehand when it makes the most sense, or when it would at least be a shame for the children not to be at school. In addition, I would like to mention that if your child has many days off from school - illness or otherwise - then think about that too, it is typically here that the school starts to react negatively to holiday notifications.
Personally, I think it's lovely with parents who like to travel with their children and see the world and explore foreign cultures, if it's to lie by a pool in Crete while the children are looked after in the play area - then don't.

What evidence do you have that IQ scores differ between generations? This would be incredibly difficult to quantify, not least because millennials have probably less experience as a generation of selective education systems that was a form of IQ test. I'm not sure who would fund research to find a difference in IQ scores according to dates of birth as I can't see the application of this. Please may you quote your data source? It would be a very interesting read.

I hate how strict schools are now - kids end of resenting school and teachers instead of respecting them.

I went to a comp in the 90s and things like detention were rare and for very poor behaviour. Kids now get them for very minor issues, it’s insane.

my dad was a secondary teacher for over 30 years and he hates the way things went. He felt the rules were getting worse and worse and all it did was create negativity and put kids in the wrong head space.

We relocated at Christmas to a Scandinavian country. Dd2 started secondary school here. No uniforms.

You get a week or two extra holiday here from school if the pupil is doing reasonably well and you don't ask for time off at exam periods. It's no big thing here at all. A avarage student won't spoil their life because of a holiday.
The school just notes legal absence if a child are absent because of sickness, doctor or dentist.
If a pupil has more than 10% non legal absences in a quarter the school must contact the parents. If non legal absences reach 15% or more in the same quarter the headteacher is obliged to notify the municipality but it don't happen a lot because pf the legal absence policy.
Dd2 has got two weeks off as legal absence this summer to go to England. It has to fit with DS (in UK) og Dd1 (in Scandinavian) studies and work and of course our workplaces. It's not always that simple to plan around an international family.

I really don't miss English schools.

The comparison was England and Ireland, not the UK which is a combination of several different education systems.
On average Ireland regularly outperforms England on global rankings for attainment.

Im irish living in Ireland and had a school refuser through secondary school. He wasn't alone in being one, there were definitely others.

During this time I worked with the school to get support for him, they suggested reduced hours, later start times, sending work, a drop in room he could go to when he felt overwhelmed.

They didn't fine us, report us to Tusla/Dept of Education or penalise him for it.

He didnt have an IEP or a diagnosis or anything, this was just what they did to support when he needed it and I was greatful for it.

He finished school with no absences in the last year, went to college and is living a happy life.

Because a term time holiday makes the difference for some kids between having a holiday or not having a holiday at all.
I'm not talking about something fancy or 2 weeks in Disney , just a few days in a caravan in Wales near a beach.
Missing 5 term days max in a year makes bugger all difference to the absolute vast majority of children, but those days spent near the sea , on the beach ,and all the other usual holiday things kids love does make a difference.
There is more to life than school , learning can take place anywhere , you can't label all parents bad for doing this.
Life is for living and when we look back and our kids are grown and looking back too, none of us are going to agonise over a few missed school days.

Given the high educational achievement of Irish children this doesn't seem to be an issue. I've taken my kids out for holidays before, never 20 days in a year but they are both nearing the end of education now and both doing very well. The way I saw it was they are bright kids, their work is always up to date, there is nothing that can be done during the length of a holiday that can't be caught up on. Now I did only choose to take them out in primary because secondary holidays are very long anyway, my 2 have already been off for a few weeks and won't be back until September.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/education-rankings-by-country

UK is above Ireland in this list

I know im going to sound like an arse, but you’re incredibly naive. Vague ideas of social services and flags being raised do suggest you’ve never known or worked with families like this. The poster talking about the child with unspecified leg pain meaning losing a third of their education was a giant red flag that you entirely missed.

In England local authorities are the ones with overall responsibility of ensuring that our government meets its obligations to educate every child. They’re the ones who have to figure out the hospital schools, support for the perm ex kids, young offenders institutions etc. It might be organised differently in Ireland, but there is (I assume) some branch of the government which checks the UN rights of the child are actually being met?

Children in secondary are already in school for significantly less days per year in Ireland compared to England which is interesting when you factor in the attainment differences.

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And yet it’s common to take children out for holidays but Irish school attainment is regularly ranked higher than that of England.

So the reason why another country is doing something better is because in English schools there are people from other countries? Seriously?

I'm also in Ireland and lived in UK previously. As I understand it, the irish constitution has it enshrined in law that parents are the primary educators of their children. This means, in my interpretation, that they cannot force as much to insist the child attends all classes. I can choice to withdraw my children for any classes if I wish (and I do withdraw from the crazily forceful religious class, which told my young son he's not as special as he's not baptised, but that's another story).
I know there's still a limit hereafter TUSLA is informed, around 20 days absent, maybe.
We have enjoyed term time holidays, nice and quiet and a good deal cheaper.

If all the DCs took 20 days off a year -2 2 week holidays, a possibility as people take multi holidays a year - surely it would impact their schooling

As far as I am aware if children miss more than 20(?) days the school is obliged to report it to Tusla(social services). I'm not sure what happens from that point.

It isn’t hypocritical to say that disrupted learning is very bad. Our ideal is obviously to have all pupils in class and learning. If there is a pupil who is disrupting the learning of all the others sometimes the only option is to remove the disruptor. I’m not sure what else could be done?

Because those children are in isolation as they were disrupting the learning of the other 31 students in the room. No teacher wants to put a child in isolation with a worksheet, they just want to teach.

So I agree with you OP. And it’s infuriating because I have kids about to start school.

I am a 90s baby. Millennial. So in upper years of secondary c. 20 years ago. We had plenty of term time holidays, everyone I speak too did. We had a few bad eggs in secondaries but overall things were manageable behaviour wise in most schools.

Millenials are the most educated generation. Have the highest academic achievement in UK history, the highest IQs, the highest employment rate in history.

Clearly holidays and time off school for being ill was not a problem. It’s incredible how people are rewriting history in their heads.

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I am in Ireland but have also lived in various parts of the UK. I feel that schools in the UK tend to have to take on much more of a ‘social care’ role than is expected of schools in Ireland - possibly because, as a previous poster has pointed out, schools in England are run by the local authority/council whereas in Ireland they answer to the department of education only and are not part of a council’s remit.

Also, education in Ireland has historically been seen to be an answer to poverty and is still seen as a positive and achievable way to improve your life. Perhaps in England this has not been the case in recent times?

The best teacher in the world cannot teach children who refuse to even stay in the classroom. I’ve taught when there were no consequences- kids weren’t safe (to the point I nearly quit) and nobody learned anything. I’m now known as one of the “strictest” teachers in the school and most parents want me to teach their kids. Children with SEN actually outperform those without SEN in my classes. Because calm, orderly classrooms are really good for the vast majority of children with SEN.