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AIBU to think USA has gone crazy - Karmelo Anthony is a murderer not a victim

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Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 14:32

From what I have read, Karmelo Anthony (who is black African American) took a concealed knife to a track event. When it started raining he ran to another team's tent to shelter. He was told to leave by a white athlete called Austin Metcalfe. KA refused saying ' 'Touch me and see what happens', According to one account I read he was repeatedly told to leave and replied the same way each time. Austin Metcalfe then pushed KA to get him to leave and KA pulled out the knife and stabbed AM in the chest, killing him.

Apparently sections of America are outraged that KA has now been convicted of murder. Possible sentence range in America is 5 to 99 years for this offence and he got 35 years.

I don't understand how this is not murder. In UK law if you can run away you must, and he didn't. In UK law if you kill someone when you could have run, you will be tried for murder.

KA took a knife. He could have left (even if he thought it was a dick move to ask him to leave when it was raining - you can't murder people for being dickish about their gazebo) but chose to not to, escalating the situation with threatening language and then stabbed a young man in the chest.

I just think something has gone terribly wrong in USA society where this man is treated as a victim, not the person who he killed, and this case is regarded as an injustice against him. I hope the UK does not go down this route.

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FrippEnos · 11/06/2026 18:25

Nate the lawyer (amoungst others) has done many youtube videos on this going back a year.

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He speaks about what the OP is going on about.

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 11/06/2026 18:24

When I lived in the US I found the race relations very hard to understand. There seemed so very often to be a simmering anger that was just waiting to be let out

So exactly what’s happening right now in the UK every time someone is attacked by an asylum seeker/an immigrant. The tensions are high and the anger simmering.

catspyjamas1 · 11/06/2026 18:22

OP, this is not the first and won't be the last case like this. Michael Brown was the first time I became aware of these sorts of dynamics in the US. Critical race theory is a poison and unfortunately the US is infected with it and has been for a long, long time.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 11/06/2026 18:20

CheerfulYank · 11/06/2026 16:27

Well, he was convicted of murder and sentenced to 35 years, so he is a murderer and is being punished as one.

I think the argument comes from the fact that people like Kyle Rittenhouse were found not guilty by reason of self defense, and Karmelo claimed self defense but was found guilty. The ones who feel it was a miscarriage of justice think that if the roles were reversed and white teen said he feared for his life from a Black teen, he would be more likely to be believed.

Additionally, I think some people on both sides think that 35 years is an unjust sentence to give a teen.

if a white teen had taken a knife to a sports event and stabbed a black kid during an argument, there would be riots in that state right now.

He will be eligible for parole in 17 years.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 11/06/2026 18:02

CrossPurposes · 11/06/2026 17:03

It was not an all white jury! There were no black people on it which is not the same.

That’s what I heard the protesters saying to the journalist.

MyTwinklyMoose · 11/06/2026 17:58

Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 16:43

This made me laugh! There is nothing wrong with being right wing. I know the nutty side of the Left think there is, but really there is not.

I'm not left or right - I'm apolitical. There is nothing wrong with being left or right or centre.

There is something wrong with ideological, unevidenced ideas which are harmful.

So you’re apolitical but think the right wing are fine and the left wing are nuts? Not both parties can be nuts?

And you defended Rittenhouse after he took a gun out, got psyched up and wanted to join in the chaos? And that’s fine because he was being chased? So one guy takes out a knife, not okay, and one takes out a gun, okay. Not, both were looking for trouble and both should have been convicted?

Riiiiight.

SpudGunToo · 11/06/2026 17:57

When I lived in the US I found the race relations very hard to understand. There seemed so very often to be a simmering anger that was just waiting to be let out.

There was one little example that I saw that comes to mind here.

I was in a florist in Manhattan waiting while my bouquet was being arranged. The staff were all black women.

A middle-aged white man in a suit came in, having a conversation on his mobile.

He took it away from his ear, and said “I need a dozen red roses, back in a minute” then went back outside to continue his call. He was a little brusque, but quite normal in Manhattan for someone in a rush.

One of the assistants said to the other “that man was so racist.”

SpudGunToo · 11/06/2026 17:50

HumberSquid · 11/06/2026 16:26

Ah so you're race-baiting. Thought so.

It’s not race-baiting to be appalled at members of the killer’s community trying to paint him as the victim.

Overtheatlantic · 11/06/2026 17:41

EasternStandard · 11/06/2026 16:37

Why? 86% say she’s not being unreasonable

Because she keeps having to explain what it’s about and what it isn’t about. And she’s arrogant.

SpidersAreShitheads · 11/06/2026 17:40

Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 16:43

This made me laugh! There is nothing wrong with being right wing. I know the nutty side of the Left think there is, but really there is not.

I'm not left or right - I'm apolitical. There is nothing wrong with being left or right or centre.

There is something wrong with ideological, unevidenced ideas which are harmful.

You do seem particularly keen to criticise the left though - both on this and other posts. I also seem to recall you being keen to chip in on a post criticising Muslim culture too.

I haven't seen you criticising right wing politics though. And now we have this post/your comments which are more than a tad goady in parts.

I rather suspect you're not as apolitical as you seem to think.

chatgptmeup · 11/06/2026 17:36

I'm a Brit in America, and I feel horrified for the poor family of the dead boy. If you bring a knife it is premeditated in my opinion. Maybe there is more to it, I haven't followed the case. I do feel bad that a 17 year old is going to prison for 35 years. The whole situation is sad, but he did something wrong, and he should serve the time. The family of the deceased deserves that. There is misinformation here, I've seen instagrams saying that the full jury was white, which is absolutely not true. Certain people will use this to try to stir up racial tensions for their own benefit.

SerendipityJane · 11/06/2026 17:35

Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 17:09

This. And Americans can carry weapons. It’s why the whole country is so bloody dangerous.

Not as dangerous as London, apparently. (©JD Vance)

Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 17:09

araiwa · 11/06/2026 15:09

I don't understand any relevance of UK law to an event on a different continent

This. And Americans can carry weapons. It’s why the whole country is so bloody dangerous.

ChipswithMayonnaise · 11/06/2026 17:06

Okay, anti-EDI anti-equity schtick

Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 17:04

TemperanceWest · 11/06/2026 17:00

No need to be rude. I politely asked a question.

That isn't really an answer to my "why and how"question. There are plenty of elements of American culture that haven't been adopted in the UK. What exactly is it that you fear is going to happen in the UK?

That we are going the way of increased racial division, and I think there are plenty of signs of that coming from both sides of the political spectrum. We should aim for a society where people are judged on their actions not their race.

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CrossPurposes · 11/06/2026 17:03

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 11/06/2026 17:00

From what I can glean it seems that those who share the murderer’s skin colour are outraged off the back of perceived racism and equality. The murderer claimed self defence as he thought a shove was equivalent to a knife in the heart. The all white jury failed to agree that being pushed was similar to a bladed weapon being plugged into a chest and people started shouting.

It was not an all white jury! There were no black people on it which is not the same.

Whammyammy · 11/06/2026 17:03

Killed someone with a knife= murderer.
2 families ripped apart.

ChipswithMayonnaise · 11/06/2026 17:02

tl;dr
Violent non-white people will Get Away with Bad Things. Be Very Afraid.

TemperanceWest · 11/06/2026 17:01

SerendipityJane · 11/06/2026 16:58

The culture of tax dodging certainly has ...

And populism.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 11/06/2026 17:00

From what I can glean it seems that those who share the murderer’s skin colour are outraged off the back of perceived racism and equality. The murderer claimed self defence as he thought a shove was equivalent to a knife in the heart. The all white jury failed to agree that being pushed was similar to a bladed weapon being plugged into a chest and people started shouting.

TemperanceWest · 11/06/2026 17:00

Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 16:55

Umm, we have lots of American cultural imports over here. Have you not noticed that? American culture has a big influence.

No need to be rude. I politely asked a question.

That isn't really an answer to my "why and how"question. There are plenty of elements of American culture that haven't been adopted in the UK. What exactly is it that you fear is going to happen in the UK?

SerendipityJane · 11/06/2026 16:58

Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 16:55

Umm, we have lots of American cultural imports over here. Have you not noticed that? American culture has a big influence.

The culture of tax dodging certainly has ...

MissConductUS · 11/06/2026 16:58

steff13 · 11/06/2026 15:35

The vast majority of Americans agree he's a murderer. It's the vocal minority that disagrees.

Yank here. This is exactly correct. It only took the jury three hours to convict him.

ChipswithMayonnaise · 11/06/2026 16:57

Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 16:55

Umm, we have lots of American cultural imports over here. Have you not noticed that? American culture has a big influence.

Your thread is manifesting it for sure...

Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 16:55

TemperanceWest · 11/06/2026 16:49

Why and how do you envisage that happening?

Umm, we have lots of American cultural imports over here. Have you not noticed that? American culture has a big influence.

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