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AIBU to think USA has gone crazy - Karmelo Anthony is a murderer not a victim

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Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 14:32

From what I have read, Karmelo Anthony (who is black African American) took a concealed knife to a track event. When it started raining he ran to another team's tent to shelter. He was told to leave by a white athlete called Austin Metcalfe. KA refused saying ' 'Touch me and see what happens', According to one account I read he was repeatedly told to leave and replied the same way each time. Austin Metcalfe then pushed KA to get him to leave and KA pulled out the knife and stabbed AM in the chest, killing him.

Apparently sections of America are outraged that KA has now been convicted of murder. Possible sentence range in America is 5 to 99 years for this offence and he got 35 years.

I don't understand how this is not murder. In UK law if you can run away you must, and he didn't. In UK law if you kill someone when you could have run, you will be tried for murder.

KA took a knife. He could have left (even if he thought it was a dick move to ask him to leave when it was raining - you can't murder people for being dickish about their gazebo) but chose to not to, escalating the situation with threatening language and then stabbed a young man in the chest.

I just think something has gone terribly wrong in USA society where this man is treated as a victim, not the person who he killed, and this case is regarded as an injustice against him. I hope the UK does not go down this route.

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Doubledutchbuss · 11/06/2026 19:44

MyTwinklyMoose · 11/06/2026 19:38

I know he wasn’t, I have already said upthread it was a typo.

You also said ‘my point still stands’ meaning pushing someone you have asked to leave 15 times from a place he was not supposed to be is ok to result in your death from a knife through the heart

MyTwinklyMoose · 11/06/2026 19:43

catspyjamas1 · 11/06/2026 19:40

No, there is a difference. Kenosha was on fire and mayhem before Rittenhouse turned up. A man chased another one down, grabbed his gun and what, the guy with the guy with the gun was supposed to interpet the other one was not a threat in the middle of a city burning to the ground? Vs a guy at a sports event carrying a knife who stabbed another man because of, I don't know, throwing some shade?

Come on, are you really not getting the distinction?

No, I’m not. KR went out because he was desperate to get involved. He took his gun because he wanted trouble. Reports of him
shooting without thinking were common. He wanted an excuse. KA took a weapon out and was looking for trouble. He wanted an excuse. Just because the situations were different, I don’t think the intention was different at all. If anything, I think KR was more certain he would get away with it.

If he had been black or Hispanic you and I both know he would have been convicted of murder. That is the crux of the issue.

catspyjamas1 · 11/06/2026 19:40

MyTwinklyMoose · 11/06/2026 19:29

But you could easily say the same about KA’s defence ‘some guy punched him, he didn’t know if he had a knife or gun, or if he was going to hit him, so he stabbed him’. Sorry, but you can’t use that defence for one and let him get off and then condemn the other. They BOTH should have been convicted. Instead the white man who cried gets hailed as a hero and the black man is jailed. You have to be able to admit there is a difference here? They both should have been done for murder.

No, there is a difference. Kenosha was on fire and mayhem before Rittenhouse turned up. A man chased another one down, grabbed his gun and what, the guy with the guy with the gun was supposed to interpet the other one was not a threat in the middle of a city burning to the ground? Vs a guy at a sports event carrying a knife who stabbed another man because of, I don't know, throwing some shade?

Come on, are you really not getting the distinction?

Walkyrie · 11/06/2026 19:39

TomatoSandwiches · 11/06/2026 16:46

If you want to talk about cultures then lets talk about the fact that black people in America still get lynched and killed for simply existing....

You cannot discuss and dismiss the self defence aspect without firstly aknowledging the long term historical rascist culture black people and especially black males have to put up with, doubly so in a state like Texas.

This situation did not happen in a vacuum and people shouldn't be putting their hands on someone, that was very much a white male privelge thing to do.

The white male privilege which means he’s now stabbed to death and his non white killer is strolling round a prison block in rude health?

MyTwinklyMoose · 11/06/2026 19:38

Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 19:37

KA was not punched. Interesting you need to lie to make your case. In fact Austin actually said ‘I’m not going to fight you’ .m in response to KAs verbal antagonisms. KA was repeatedly told to leave. He was pushed when he refused. A push to get someone who is being verbally provoking to leave, is not a punch. Everyone can see the difference.

I know he wasn’t, I have already said upthread it was a typo.

AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 19:37

catspyjamas1 · 11/06/2026 19:31

Great- no one can read the article. But what the first two lines that are visible says that black men commit suicide and are involved in accidents = lynching. I'd hazard a guess that in the UK, men make up the bulk of suicides, of all races, and many deaths are noted by the coroner as accidental. This is not evidence of lynchings of black men in the US in 2026 😂

When you have some serious evidence for lynchings of black men in the US in the last few years, please do come back to me. Bye, troll.

You cannot read the article but presume to report on its contents? Since you are struggling I will say it in one sentence:

Black men are being lynched but the murders are being written off as suicides or accidents.

The two sentences visible for those who do not wish to register for free to read the civil rights report say:
A new civil rights report argues that lynchings of Black men didn't end in America — they evolved — and that some deaths today may still be misclassified as suicides or accidents.

note the word misclassified
do let me know if you can’t understand as I would be all to happy to also define misclassified as well.

Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 19:37

MyTwinklyMoose · 11/06/2026 19:29

But you could easily say the same about KA’s defence ‘some guy punched him, he didn’t know if he had a knife or gun, or if he was going to hit him, so he stabbed him’. Sorry, but you can’t use that defence for one and let him get off and then condemn the other. They BOTH should have been convicted. Instead the white man who cried gets hailed as a hero and the black man is jailed. You have to be able to admit there is a difference here? They both should have been done for murder.

KA was not punched. Interesting you need to lie to make your case. In fact Austin actually said ‘I’m not going to fight you’ .m in response to KAs verbal antagonisms. KA was repeatedly told to leave. He was pushed when he refused. A push to get someone who is being verbally provoking to leave, is not a punch. Everyone can see the difference.

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MyTwinklyMoose · 11/06/2026 19:36

catspyjamas1 · 11/06/2026 19:34

Your understanding of the Rittenshouse case is incorrect. HTH.

Again with the ‘happy to help’, I don’t know why people use this when it invalidates any point you’re making.

And thank you for your opinion but I disagree. I followed the case closely and read extensively, Rittenhouse should have been done for murder.

AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 19:35

Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 19:23

And I think that if you want to make a case of negative racial bias, forming that around a man who is clearly guilty of unprovoked murder is not a good tactic.

I thought it was common knowledge as it has been widely written about and acknowledged within Sociological circles for decades. The case has been proven. The UK also has a negative racial bias against Black men, although to a lesser extreme degree.

University students at Harvard know it, so why don’t you? You just didn’t bother to read about the justice system before forming an opinion on a conviction being protested as unduly harsh due to a proven negative racial bias?
https://studentreview.hks.harvard.edu/justice-for-a-few-racial-disparity-in-the-criminal-justice-system-of-the-united-states/

Justice for...a Few: Racial Disparity in the Criminal Justice System of the United States - HKS Student Policy Review

We need a system that protects minorities from being victims of unpunished crime and from criminalization. We must become a society that no longer takes skin color as a reason to justify the unjustifiable.

https://studentreview.hks.harvard.edu/justice-for-a-few-racial-disparity-in-the-criminal-justice-system-of-the-united-states/

Givemeachaitealatte · 11/06/2026 19:35

catspyjamas1 · 11/06/2026 19:34

Your understanding of the Rittenshouse case is incorrect. HTH.

He did murder people and he was acquitted - not sure what I got wrong there?

MyTwinklyMoose · 11/06/2026 19:34

Doubledutchbuss · 11/06/2026 19:31

No one punched him.

I meant pushed, typo. Point still stands

catspyjamas1 · 11/06/2026 19:34

Givemeachaitealatte · 11/06/2026 19:31

I think he should have been convicted for his crime and it is murder. However, if you look at the case of Kyle Rittenhouse or Lucy Harrison's father, both murdered people and are not in prison, they claimed self defense or 'accidental misfire' and were acquitted or not even charged. Instances like this are rife in America, where white men are not culpable but black boys and men are.

I'm not saying his supporters are right, I think they are totally wrong but neither were Kyle Rittenhouse' and he got acquitted.

Your understanding of the Rittenshouse case is incorrect. HTH.

MyTwinklyMoose · 11/06/2026 19:33

Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 19:26

Yes you’ve got it. Just walk off.

Genuinely confused why you think this is pretending anything.

Your ideological capture is off the scale that you actually think ‘got it, just walk off’ is mocking my position. Genuinely bizarre.

You don’t know anything about my ideology at all, you’re simply making assumptions because I am calling you out on your points.
I have said, repeatedly, that they both should have been convicted of murder and jailed.

CheerfulYank · 11/06/2026 19:32

Chimneyissues · 11/06/2026 19:10

Apparently his family spent all the money raised for his defence on themselves and left him with the public defender.

That’s not true. His attorney is Mike Howard, who hasn’t worked as a public defender in over 15 years. He’s a private attorney.

Givemeachaitealatte · 11/06/2026 19:31

I think he should have been convicted for his crime and it is murder. However, if you look at the case of Kyle Rittenhouse or Lucy Harrison's father, both murdered people and are not in prison, they claimed self defense or 'accidental misfire' and were acquitted or not even charged. Instances like this are rife in America, where white men are not culpable but black boys and men are.

I'm not saying his supporters are right, I think they are totally wrong but neither were Kyle Rittenhouse' and he got acquitted.

catspyjamas1 · 11/06/2026 19:31

AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 19:22

They’re serious you know. Lynchings still happen.
https://www.axios.com/2026/03/07/lynching-south-black-americans-suicide-report

Great- no one can read the article. But what the first two lines that are visible says that black men commit suicide and are involved in accidents = lynching. I'd hazard a guess that in the UK, men make up the bulk of suicides, of all races, and many deaths are noted by the coroner as accidental. This is not evidence of lynchings of black men in the US in 2026 😂

When you have some serious evidence for lynchings of black men in the US in the last few years, please do come back to me. Bye, troll.

Doubledutchbuss · 11/06/2026 19:31

MyTwinklyMoose · 11/06/2026 19:29

But you could easily say the same about KA’s defence ‘some guy punched him, he didn’t know if he had a knife or gun, or if he was going to hit him, so he stabbed him’. Sorry, but you can’t use that defence for one and let him get off and then condemn the other. They BOTH should have been convicted. Instead the white man who cried gets hailed as a hero and the black man is jailed. You have to be able to admit there is a difference here? They both should have been done for murder.

No one punched him.

MyTwinklyMoose · 11/06/2026 19:29

catspyjamas1 · 11/06/2026 19:25

I think what you are missing is the environment and context of the time.... And now. If an unarmed man chased me and grabbed my gun, I'd shoot. I have no idea who this man is, no idea if he has a knife, no idea if he has a concealed weapon etc. etc. I know this is an alien concept to to British people but for people, like me, that come from countries where guns are "normal", we'd shoot.

And to be clear, the unreset was happening before Rittenhouse turned up. That's why he was there. Kenosha was burning after Jacob Blake pulled a knife on armed police. It's really simple: if you live in a country with armed police and they engage you, you comply with orders.

But you could easily say the same about KA’s defence ‘some guy punched him, he didn’t know if he had a knife or gun, or if he was going to hit him, so he stabbed him’. Sorry, but you can’t use that defence for one and let him get off and then condemn the other. They BOTH should have been convicted. Instead the white man who cried gets hailed as a hero and the black man is jailed. You have to be able to admit there is a difference here? They both should have been done for murder.

Doubledutchbuss · 11/06/2026 19:28

PolkaDotPorridge · 11/06/2026 16:24

It was an all white jury. That was unfair. The dead man was a bully. Below is a good article on it written by Dr Stacey Patton.

https://share.google/dvPS0FPvFf3la8cuO

Edited

It was not all white - it was a mix of white, Asian, Middle Eastern and Hispanic.

there is no evidence he was a bully and since when did bullying equate to deserving death even if he was

PistolPacker · 11/06/2026 19:28

TheseWordsAreMine · 11/06/2026 19:23

It's out and out racism.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

What is racism?

catspyjamas1 · 11/06/2026 19:26

TheseWordsAreMine · 11/06/2026 19:23

It's out and out racism.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

Welcome to the trolls!

Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 19:26

MyTwinklyMoose · 11/06/2026 19:22

Ah Okay, so chased by an unarmed
person = shoot them at close range, pushed by an unarmed person = just walk off.

Oh, and Rittenhouse had an all white jury bar one (which caused a huge controversy) and he has gone on to say some awful stuff.

Honestly, quit pretending.

Yes you’ve got it. Just walk off.

Genuinely confused why you think this is pretending anything.

Your ideological capture is off the scale that you actually think ‘got it, just walk off’ is mocking my position. Genuinely bizarre.

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catspyjamas1 · 11/06/2026 19:25

MyTwinklyMoose · 11/06/2026 19:09

Yes, he chased him and grabbed his gun. That’s still an alone and unarmed man. In this case, the victim pushed KA away and shouted at him.

The two are very similar, two armed men went out looking for trouble and When someone, unarmed, stood up to them, they murdered them, except one was convicted of murder and one was not, when they BOTH should have been. Rittenhouse being let off is me of the reasons for the unrest, so it’s important to understand the similarities.

I think what you are missing is the environment and context of the time.... And now. If an unarmed man chased me and grabbed my gun, I'd shoot. I have no idea who this man is, no idea if he has a knife, no idea if he has a concealed weapon etc. etc. I know this is an alien concept to to British people but for people, like me, that come from countries where guns are "normal", we'd shoot.

And to be clear, the unreset was happening before Rittenhouse turned up. That's why he was there. Kenosha was burning after Jacob Blake pulled a knife on armed police. It's really simple: if you live in a country with armed police and they engage you, you comply with orders.

Neutralnames · 11/06/2026 19:23

AmberTigerEyes · 11/06/2026 19:16

It is my opinion that if the races had been reversed, Texas probably would have ruled it to be involuntary manslaughter rather than 1st degree premeditated and planned murder. This would have resulted in a much shorter sentence.

The protesters don’t believe KA is ‘the victim’ they are pointing out the negative racial bias against Black men that numerous sociological studies on the American justice system have uncovered.

And I think that if you want to make a case of negative racial bias, forming that around a man who is clearly guilty of unprovoked murder is not a good tactic.

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TheseWordsAreMine · 11/06/2026 19:23

It's out and out racism.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.