AIBU to think USA has gone crazy - Karmelo Anthony is a murderer not a victim

His ds was murdered. I think we can forgive his reaction surely? The language used is tame compared to some terminology used by some black online commentators tbf.

This is why kids should not carry knives (well anyone). It escalates and then a life is easily lost.

Has he not had a knife then this would have been a fist fight, bruised egos and that’s that.

I don’t see the relevance of UK laws to various US states. In a recent case in the USA a shopkeeper was able to claim self-defence after chasing and shooting a boy in the back so I am sure that’s grey and varies state to state.

But his family / lawyers have lodged an appeal I think so will see where that lands.

My post was deleted but it was a factual statement. Just watch the videos of him ranting.

You have any proof that they were or are you just after another way to excuse murder?

Wrong again.

In texas it’s: Captial murder
Murder
Manslaughter

Captial murder and murder are both first degree felonies.
Manslaughter is usually a second degree felony but can sometimes be elevated to a first degree felony.

You are wrong. He was NOT convicted of Capital murder. He was convicted of murder.

Where the hell are you getting your info from?

@Serenster
He was convicted of criminal homicide by murder under section 19(02)(b)(2) of the Texas Penal Code, which states:
A person commits an offense if the person:
(2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual;

No he wasn’t convicted of criminal homicide (the equivalent of 3rd degree murder) but of capital murder (equivalent of 1st degree murder)
Sec. 19.03. CAPITAL MURDER. (a) A person commits an offense if the person commits murder as defined under Section 19.02(b)(1) and: (1) the person murders a peace officer or fireman who is acting in the lawful discharge of an official duty and who the person knows is a peace officer or fireman; (2) the person intentionally commits the murder in the course of committing or attempting to commit kidnapping, burglary, robbery, aggravated sexual assault, arson, obstruction or retaliation, or terroristic threat under Section 22.07(a)(1), (3), (4), (5), or (6); (3) the person commits the murder for remuneration or the promise of remuneration or employs another to commit the murder for remuneration or the promise of remuneration; (4) the person commits the murder while escaping or attempting to escape from a penal institution; (5) the person, while incarcerated in a penal institution, murders another: (A) who is employed in the operation of the penal institution; or (B) with the intent to establish, maintain, or participate in a combination or in the profits of a combination; (6) the person: (A) while incarcerated for an offense under this section or Section 19.02, murders another; or (B) while serving a sentence of life imprisonment or a term of 99 years for an offense under Section 20.04, 22.021, or 29.03, murders another; (7) the person murders more than one person: (A) during the same criminal transaction; or (B) during different criminal transactions but the murders are committed pursuant to the same scheme or course of conduct; (8) the person murders an individual under 10 years of age; (9) the person murders an individual 10 years of age or older but younger than 15 years of age; or (10) the person murders another person in retaliation for or on account of the service or status of the other person as a judge or justice of the supreme court, the court of criminal appeals, a court of appeals, a district court, a criminal district court, a constitutional county court, a statutory county court, a justice court, or a municipal court. (b) An offense under this section is a capital felony. (c) If the jury or, when authorized by law, the judge does not find beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty of an offense under this section, he may be convicted of murder or of any other lesser included offense. (d) For purposes of Subsection (a)(1), the actor is presumed to have known the person murdered was a peace officer or fireman if the person was wearing a distinctive uniform or badge indicating the person's employment as a peace officer or fireman.

No they were discarded because they were educators,

Texas has them alright, the terms 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree are US umbrella terms that cover similar grades of murder with similar requirements despite the fact that individual states technically have different names for them.

Texas calls 1st degree murder capital murder, 2nd degree is simply murder and 3rd degree is called homicide.

However the terms 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree murder are used in all national news reports so that fellow Americans can easily understand what is referred to.

I read it was because they were three ‘educators’ (which is teachers?) but I don’t really understand why that was a problem.

Asian, Hispanic, Middle Eastern and white, but I haven’t heard any numbers.

From what I have read (and how true it is I don't know) is that the prospective black jurers didn't make it through to the final selection as they said they wouldn't find him guilty due KA's race.

I believe four of the jurors were Asian?

I've been shocked to see some people online sympathising more with the murderer than the victim. A lot of american blm activists are defending the killer, and some are even posting ai images of themselves defacing the murdered boy's grave. Murder is murder. It doesn't help anyone, including black people, to infantilise them and make endless excuses for their actions. A black murderer is not a victim any more than a white one is; the victim is the young man who lost his life.
Grievance politics in the usa have become incredibly toxic and damaging for everyone involved. I hate how it's been imported over here as well. Too many people seen to think they are eternal victims because they are black/white/christian/muslim/jewish/right wing/left wing etc etc and seem to think that everything they do is the fault of someone else. The excesses of each side just fuel the others. We need to try and find a better way forward than people fracturing into endless identity groups, competing over who is more oppressed, and encouraging resentment and aggression towards everyone else.

He wasnt convicted of turning up somewhere that he was banned from. No one thinks that was a heinous crime.

Stabbing someone and killing them is a heinous crime. Thats what he has been convicted of.

Bear in mind he shouldn’t have even been at the event (KA). He was suspended from school for having a weapon and banned from athletic events but he turned up anyway

I didn't know that, @SpiritofaPanda, but then I wasn't there to hear all the evidence

I don't imagine many of those so keen to support this killer were either, but even remembering that turning up at something you're banned from is hardly a heinous crime, it doesn't seem to stop them climbing on their hobby horses

Shame

Texas doesn’t have first degree murder, actually. So that’s not what he was convicted of. He was convicted of criminal homicide by murder under section 19(02)(b)(2) of the Texas Penal Code, which states:

A person commits an offense if the person:
(2) intends to cause serious bodily injury and commits an act clearly dangerous to human life that causes the death of an individual;

In this case, he stabbed the victim in the chest with a knife. That is self-evidently an act that was both intended to cause a serious injury and was clearly dangerous to human life - and it did indeed cause the death of the person stabbed.

So he wasn’t charged with and convicted of an offence disproportionate to his actions. The charge exactly fitted them, in fact.

Some of the posts are odd, ie the one you’re replying to. Agree it’s murder. Not a scuffle.

He murdered someone with a knife that was in his bag. You think that’s a slap on the wrist kind of an offence? You literally can’t go round stabbing people to death. The world has gone completely bonkers.

It was a murder and he was convicted of murder.

However, as you are no doubt aware, a lot (numerically rather than proportionally) of African-Americans, particularly in the South, don't trust the police or the justice system to deal with them fairly. Hence what you're seeing.

It's been a racialised society for a long time.

Don't be silly. Of course it's race baiting given what's currently going on in the UK. Op is trying to justify the riots in Southampton and Belfast by saying we need to take action now and put people of colour in their place so we don't become like the US. Especially considering in the US blacks are lynched for breakfast op's post really doesn't make sense unless they have posted purely to race bait.

Having said that of course KA is a murderer as was proven by their justice system and he is doing pretty long time. In a country of 300000000 people you will always find some who will support anything.

However do we have to dig up every murder or atrocity committed by a person of colour and every single comment that some nutter has uttered in their support to vilify people of colour? Because that is all that this is about. Completely random case to make the point that people of colour are bad and unless you show them who is the boss they will ruin this country.

Yes when you read this article, its clear the charge and conviction was right

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/whats-the-difference-manslaughter-murder-karmelo-anthony-trial-austin-metcalf-stabbing/

It's not self defence to stab someone to death when all they've done is push you a but after you refused to leave. I agree they shouldn't have told him to leave but his actions were disproportionate and totally unnecessary. If he felt threatened he could have left the tent. He stabbed hard enough to kill, that takes effort, and he got the sentence he deserves.

Perhaps you've never lost someone you love to murder by stabbing but I have and there no sentence long enough to atone for it.

Except that this wasm't set up to be orivate and schools have their own gazebos. Also even KA's friends admitted that he was the aggressor.