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AIBU to think I should get reparations?

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PositiveEngine · 11/06/2026 11:38

I’m from a working class background. My ancestors, going back 200 years, were also working class people and before that, agricultural labourers. They weren’t slaves, but they were engaged in backbreaking manual work, for very little pay, housed in what were effectively slums, to make capitalists rich. They had no practical way out of that life and the impacts are still felt; I’ve done alright for myself, but the biggest determinant of where someone ends up in life remains where they started.

AIBU to think some reparations would level the playing field a bit?

OP posts:
Naunet · 11/06/2026 15:02

Daygloboo · 11/06/2026 14:41

Thats not true. My ancestors going back 200 years qere minor gentry farming in Scotland and before that they were nobility. But due to changes in farming patterns we lost land and many left for Canada. My grandad committed suicide due to a series of harsh events and my dad was left without a farher at 17 and had to do qhatevwr jobs he could get. We managed to get a comfortable lifw in rhe end again but by no means a gentry or noble life. So history is swings and roundabouts. I do think slave descendants should get compensation though because we stole from them and YK is built on the backs of incredible cruelty and frankly evil.

What other countries should pay reparations to slavery desendants? Should African countries pay any for selling their own people? Should Arabian countries that still buy black African slaves today, pay? Or is it just white people?

SevenYellowHammers · 11/06/2026 14:59

I sympathise OP. I don’t think people born into comfortably off families realise how much you start on a back foot if you’re from a poorer background. However, I don’t think that is the same as having ancestors who were industrially enslaved.

BunnyLake · 11/06/2026 14:55

So who’s paying this out? Keir Starmer’s dad was a tool maker don’t you know. Maybe he needs some monetary payback too.

Are we all to do a family tree? Aren’t most of us related to that King Danny Dyer is?

Teethyblinders · 11/06/2026 14:48

aberamagold · 11/06/2026 14:47

People didn't just 'take' slaves from Africa, they bought them - from other Africans.
If the British government paid reparations to the countries where slaves came from, it would in effect mean the descendants of British farm labourers/miners/weavers - none of whom benefited financially from the slave trade - paying reparations to the descendants of the people who sold the slaves.

Exactly. Reparations paid to other countries out of the British tax payers pocket. 95% of whom descended from impoverished farmers and factory workers who had no choice to work 12+ hours a day as kids.

aberamagold · 11/06/2026 14:47

TygerBread · 11/06/2026 14:36

It’s an interesting hypothetical question, because I really feel zero understating of why any government or organisation has entertained the concept of reparations for people whose ancestors were slaves. It’s not in that individual’s living memory and they’ve never experienced it, so it’s not compensation for any kind of suffering.

The only thing it could relate to is the idea that the OP is suggesting…this historic inequality is still having an impact on the current generation, yet with the slave issue that doesn’t make much sense. This relates to people who have been raised in the developed world with good/reasonable access to education, healthcare, employment opportunities and lived in democracies that, overall, protect equal rights. These people,
are not clambering to be returned to their ‘homeland’, many of these people wouldn’t want to visit a country where there is visible poverty and a lack of basic modern facilities such as wifi. Their ancestors suffered, that’s not disputed, but they themselves…are very likely better off as a result, as its directly the reason they weren’t born in a developing country. When people campaign for reparations, they are just asking for a cash payout in their pockets, but what they aren’t asking for, is for the money to be directed to either helping those still in their homeland or to be used as a fund to help people who want to move back there whose ancestors caused their displacement.

If there are a reparations due, in my opinion,, they should be directed to the countries that were negatively affected, not the descendants. So for example, where a country took slaves from another country, presumably they mostly would take the strongest people, leaving the weak behind to struggle further, and also this would have stunted the development of those countries by taking away the a significant proportion of their manually strong workforce. The consequences of that may still be being felt by people living in those countries today…and they are the people who deserve the help from the country who caused the damage.

As for OP, I’m assuming you have asked the question of reparations tongue in cheek, but you have a very fair point in a way…becuase there are people in developed countries today who are not meeting their full potential due to the class system, historic lack of aspiration in families, from cost barriers to high education, from lack of opportunities due to not having the contacts that elite schooling open up. There are many adults in the UK who left school at 16 and went into a minimum wage job, just because that’s what everyone around them expected them to do, and they couldn’t see past that expectation.

It shows the ludicrously of the whole idea of reparations…because who would really be more deserving of a government payout…a black person whose ancestors were slaves but was never directly exposed to slavery, who has been to university, qualified as a doctor and owns a large home, has nice holidays and new cars and has never suffered any real deprivation in their lifetime….or, would it be more deserving to pay reparations to the white person who has come from a family without aspiration and without any examples of relatives breaking out the generational mould, who has been in the care system, who was not supported financially or encouraged to meet their full potential, who has drifted from one low paid job to another, and who has never had a career path, and will never be in a position to own their own home and goes through times of struggles with the heat or eat dilemma in the winter months?

Who has actually suffered more?

People didn't just 'take' slaves from Africa, they bought them - from other Africans.
If the British government paid reparations to the countries where slaves came from, it would in effect mean the descendants of British farm labourers/miners/weavers - none of whom benefited financially from the slave trade - paying reparations to the descendants of the people who sold the slaves.

Teethyblinders · 11/06/2026 14:44

MyPurpleHeart · 11/06/2026 13:12

So if you're saying that people should be held responsible now for something their ancestors did 200 years ago, then by your reasoning people should be put in jail for crimes committed by their parents, grandparents, great grandparents and great great grandparents.

Its the exact same principle, no?

You’ve missed the ops point.
Many people unironically think white people should be held responsible for what some white people did 200 years ago. And pay reparations to black people. Even though 95% of us descended from farmers who died at 40, read some dickens and you’ll see little kids working in factories for 12+ hours a day many dying young.

I’ll get some heat from saying this but not too different from slavery seeing as those kids would have died if they didn’t live like that. Look into your own history before believing you descended from evil “privileged” people.

Daygloboo · 11/06/2026 14:41

PositiveEngine · 11/06/2026 11:38

I’m from a working class background. My ancestors, going back 200 years, were also working class people and before that, agricultural labourers. They weren’t slaves, but they were engaged in backbreaking manual work, for very little pay, housed in what were effectively slums, to make capitalists rich. They had no practical way out of that life and the impacts are still felt; I’ve done alright for myself, but the biggest determinant of where someone ends up in life remains where they started.

AIBU to think some reparations would level the playing field a bit?

Thats not true. My ancestors going back 200 years qere minor gentry farming in Scotland and before that they were nobility. But due to changes in farming patterns we lost land and many left for Canada. My grandad committed suicide due to a series of harsh events and my dad was left without a farher at 17 and had to do qhatevwr jobs he could get. We managed to get a comfortable lifw in rhe end again but by no means a gentry or noble life. So history is swings and roundabouts. I do think slave descendants should get compensation though because we stole from them and YK is built on the backs of incredible cruelty and frankly evil.

Stick0rTwist · 11/06/2026 14:37

Love this thread 👏 this is really shining a light on just how ridiculous the whole slave reparation argument is.

I’ve done my family tree too OP and no landed gentry on my side either, just suffering and hardship like the majority of British people in the 18th-20th century. Can’t wait for my reparations 💰🤑

TygerBread · 11/06/2026 14:36

It’s an interesting hypothetical question, because I really feel zero understating of why any government or organisation has entertained the concept of reparations for people whose ancestors were slaves. It’s not in that individual’s living memory and they’ve never experienced it, so it’s not compensation for any kind of suffering.

The only thing it could relate to is the idea that the OP is suggesting…this historic inequality is still having an impact on the current generation, yet with the slave issue that doesn’t make much sense. This relates to people who have been raised in the developed world with good/reasonable access to education, healthcare, employment opportunities and lived in democracies that, overall, protect equal rights. These people,
are not clambering to be returned to their ‘homeland’, many of these people wouldn’t want to visit a country where there is visible poverty and a lack of basic modern facilities such as wifi. Their ancestors suffered, that’s not disputed, but they themselves…are very likely better off as a result, as its directly the reason they weren’t born in a developing country. When people campaign for reparations, they are just asking for a cash payout in their pockets, but what they aren’t asking for, is for the money to be directed to either helping those still in their homeland or to be used as a fund to help people who want to move back there whose ancestors caused their displacement.

If there are a reparations due, in my opinion,, they should be directed to the countries that were negatively affected, not the descendants. So for example, where a country took slaves from another country, presumably they mostly would take the strongest people, leaving the weak behind to struggle further, and also this would have stunted the development of those countries by taking away the a significant proportion of their manually strong workforce. The consequences of that may still be being felt by people living in those countries today…and they are the people who deserve the help from the country who caused the damage.

As for OP, I’m assuming you have asked the question of reparations tongue in cheek, but you have a very fair point in a way…becuase there are people in developed countries today who are not meeting their full potential due to the class system, historic lack of aspiration in families, from cost barriers to high education, from lack of opportunities due to not having the contacts that elite schooling open up. There are many adults in the UK who left school at 16 and went into a minimum wage job, just because that’s what everyone around them expected them to do, and they couldn’t see past that expectation.

It shows the ludicrously of the whole idea of reparations…because who would really be more deserving of a government payout…a black person whose ancestors were slaves but was never directly exposed to slavery, who has been to university, qualified as a doctor and owns a large home, has nice holidays and new cars and has never suffered any real deprivation in their lifetime….or, would it be more deserving to pay reparations to the white person who has come from a family without aspiration and without any examples of relatives breaking out the generational mould, who has been in the care system, who was not supported financially or encouraged to meet their full potential, who has drifted from one low paid job to another, and who has never had a career path, and will never be in a position to own their own home and goes through times of struggles with the heat or eat dilemma in the winter months?

Who has actually suffered more?

Teethyblinders · 11/06/2026 14:35

toomanydicksonthedancefloor1 · 11/06/2026 11:53

FFS 🤦 s this a joke? How about just working hard and trying to better yourself????

Lot of people missing the point here.

Black people demand reparations from white people and talk about white privilege as if every white person descended from wealthy plantation and slave owners when in reality 95% of white people descend from farmers who died at 40.

Naunet · 11/06/2026 14:33

OK, then I want reparations for being female and all the historic oppression and financial restrictions I haven't experienced too.

JLou08 · 11/06/2026 14:24

It's unrealistic.
I do think it's worthy of debate. For a very long time people have been born in to wealth which just grows and grows on the back of cheap labour from working class people. The wealth divide is absolutely disgusting. People are sat on money that can provide a lavish lifestyle for 100s of years whilst people working to generate that income for them are struggling to pay the bills to meet their basic needs.

TanquerayTickles · 11/06/2026 14:23

The Irish were colonised by the British and many put into involuntary indentured servitude.

Where do I get my money?

notjaneausten · 11/06/2026 14:23

Name one.

Backedoffhackedoff · 11/06/2026 14:22

spritzwiththat · 11/06/2026 14:20

You didn’t start where your ancestors were. You live in a generation of welfare state with free access to health education and wealth making opportunities that stem from this. The limitations of your ancestors can hardly account for failings people have now. Do some work.

Well I don’t have a £400m property portfolio either, like some people got from their ancestors -who gained it by taking.

icouldholditwithacobweb · 11/06/2026 14:21

I don't think any individuals or families should get reparations, but I wholeheartedly believe that wealthy families who have wealth based on long-term land ownership (particularly where that land was either granted to their ancestors by Royals as a way of currying favour, or they seized it via Enclosure or similar) should have to return that land to the State for the use of the common people. There's no justifiable reason not to, IMO.

And we need to close loopholes around wealthy people buying up agricultural land as an inheritance tax dodge.

That would be a great start to redistributing some wealth and returning something of value to those who aren't wildly wealthy.

Backedoffhackedoff · 11/06/2026 14:21

Ponderingwindow · 11/06/2026 14:16

I think there should be a statute of limitations on historical wrongs. Once the people involved in the issue are gone, we put the matter to rest. Since we don’t want to discourage murder, we set it at 100 years.

Does that mean we accept that there are individual people living in strife today? Absolutely not. Instead of addressing those problems by trying to fight old battles, we tackle them as they are today.

Understanding that poverty is a generational issue doesn’t require inflaming a class war to fight the problem.

But this isn’t a crime and individual is responsible for

it was a societal problem that the structure of the country was responsible for- legislation and policy.

individuals aren’t responsible for the agricultural laws that took the right of land ownership away from peasants ie the villein/ copyhold laws and the enclosure act

individuals are never responsible for repatriations. Governments are.

Swiftie1878 · 11/06/2026 14:21

PositiveEngine · 11/06/2026 11:45

Not sure really, maybe the descendants of those who profited from their labour? Just putting it out there for debate.

Are you doing a Year 9 HPQ?!

spritzwiththat · 11/06/2026 14:20

You didn’t start where your ancestors were. You live in a generation of welfare state with free access to health education and wealth making opportunities that stem from this. The limitations of your ancestors can hardly account for failings people have now. Do some work.

MaCheCazzo · 11/06/2026 14:19

God sometimes I truly love the 'hide thread' function.

<hides thread> <for being irritating nonsense>

Ponderingwindow · 11/06/2026 14:16

I think there should be a statute of limitations on historical wrongs. Once the people involved in the issue are gone, we put the matter to rest. Since we don’t want to discourage murder, we set it at 100 years.

Does that mean we accept that there are individual people living in strife today? Absolutely not. Instead of addressing those problems by trying to fight old battles, we tackle them as they are today.

Understanding that poverty is a generational issue doesn’t require inflaming a class war to fight the problem.

MsGreying · 11/06/2026 14:15

Ablondiebutagoody · 11/06/2026 11:40

How do you know so much detail about the work your ancestors were doing over 200 years ago?

I've got handed down family stories about one of my relatives being a union agitator trying to unionise farm labourers. That's from about 120 years ago.
They had to move every time he got sacked. They lived in farm tied accommodation which would have been beyond basic. I know where two of the 'cottages' where and it's dismal to think of a miserable wet June day living there let alone the depths of winter.

ZingyLemonMoose · 11/06/2026 14:14

Yes, YABU. As you mentioned, your ancestors weren’t slaves, so have already been compensated for their labour with wages.

Weeellokthen · 11/06/2026 14:14

Yes, I absolutely deserve some extra/free money from someone/anyone, please.
My g g g aunt was imprisoned in Ayrshire for stealing food for her family, aged 79.
So if that judges decendants feel any guilt I would be more than happy to receive their guilt money 😁
Please pm me for bank details into which you would like to pay
TIA x

Backedoffhackedoff · 11/06/2026 14:07

justasking111 · 11/06/2026 13:58

I don't agree because I know people who had a privileged childhood who work bloody hard as adults.

Well I guess your experience negates the reality of Structural inequality/ class determinism then?