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To not support England?!

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Feetballislife · 11/06/2026 10:12

Live and work in England. Not English. My team didn’t qualify for the World Cup so I’m supporting Scotland! Lobe a plucky underdog, have some Scots heritage ( and some English to be fair) plus I NEVER support English sports teams. EVER.
Football has inevitably come up in the office and several colleagues are generally pissed off that I’m not supporting England, insist I should be etc etc. Stupidly I mentioned that I never support England … did not gone down well.
If you live here then you should etc etc

YANBU - support who you like!
YABU - you ingrate, you live in the country you should support the national team.

OP posts:
Strangerthanfictions · 12/06/2026 10:07

DontBuyAnotherBook · 12/06/2026 08:09

Some England fans. I am sure some Scotland fans are also aggressive and drunk and violent. Manchester and others probably don't want the Old Firm down here very often.

Edited

Yes you are absolutely right, the Rangers fans particularly are known to be violent and unsocial and have caused trouble when travelling, you can spot them with their union jacks and many support England too. Celtic have been welcomed and praised the world over although of course there are factions that cause trouble but it's much less prevalent with them, and probably more specific to the old firm. I say this as a fan of neither and someone who hates the secterian divide in Glasgow. It's a good point you make though the strange difference between club football and the national team, it is very different. I am now wondering myself if it's because the hardcore rangers and celtic don't support the national team in favour of England and Ireland. Who knows

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 10:02

@IcedPurple

Don't be ridiculous.

IcedPurple · 12/06/2026 10:00

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 09:56

Now this is just silly. I suggest you watch Brave heart, it's all explained very clearly there.

You know that film is fiction.

Don't you?

Walkyrie · 12/06/2026 09:59

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 09:56

Now this is just silly. I suggest you watch Brave heart, it's all explained very clearly there.

Don’t take it up with me, take it up with him.

DontBuyAnotherBook · 12/06/2026 09:57

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 09:56

Now this is just silly. I suggest you watch Brave heart, it's all explained very clearly there.

Wasn't he Welsh or Norman?

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 09:56

Walkyrie · 12/06/2026 09:38

Is there? I heard an Irish man calling for ‘Scottish ancestry’ Northern Irish people to be deported back to Scotland on LBC a few days ago.

Now this is just silly. I suggest you watch Brave heart, it's all explained very clearly there.

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 09:55

DontBuyAnotherBook · 12/06/2026 09:48

God no support who you want. No English I know expect you to support them and suspect that is a small minority. Most Irish aren't like OP anyway who seems to spend most of her waking hours hating the English (previous threads).

What the English expect is of little concern to us.

DontBuyAnotherBook · 12/06/2026 09:48

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 09:45

We're not allowed cheer for England at football or any other sporting event. That's the whole point. It's written clearly in the 1916 Proclamation of The Irish Republic. It would be unpatriotic at best, possibly treason.

Possibly shouldn't support Manchester Utd then...🤔😛

DontBuyAnotherBook · 12/06/2026 09:48

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 09:45

We're not allowed cheer for England at football or any other sporting event. That's the whole point. It's written clearly in the 1916 Proclamation of The Irish Republic. It would be unpatriotic at best, possibly treason.

God no support who you want. No English I know expect you to support them and suspect that is a small minority. Most Irish aren't like OP anyway who seems to spend most of her waking hours hating the English (previous threads).

Walkyrie · 12/06/2026 09:47

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 09:45

We're not allowed cheer for England at football or any other sporting event. That's the whole point. It's written clearly in the 1916 Proclamation of The Irish Republic. It would be unpatriotic at best, possibly treason.

fine by us!

DontBuyAnotherBook · 12/06/2026 09:46

Feetballislife · 12/06/2026 09:41

Saw a lovely video of some Scots supporters in Boston ( at an Irish pub) singing their hearts out, wearing kilts etc and it all seemed very good humored. The locals seem to be enjoying the whole football thing… so far anyways!

They were playing pipes at 6am. Not sure that is appreciated by neighbours.

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 09:45

Walkyrie · 12/06/2026 09:34

I’m English and I don’t expect support from Irish people at all, I expect them to support Ireland Confused even then I don’t care if they support someone else entirely, or nobody.

But this thread wasn’t ’AIBU to expect everyone to support England’, it was ‘AIBU to make a song and dance of supporting anyone BUT England as they’re AWFUL’ (pretty much). It gets very boring after a while.

We're not allowed cheer for England at football or any other sporting event. That's the whole point. It's written clearly in the 1916 Proclamation of The Irish Republic. It would be unpatriotic at best, possibly treason.

Feetballislife · 12/06/2026 09:41

Saw a lovely video of some Scots supporters in Boston ( at an Irish pub) singing their hearts out, wearing kilts etc and it all seemed very good humored. The locals seem to be enjoying the whole football thing… so far anyways!

OP posts:
Walkyrie · 12/06/2026 09:38

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 08:57

Generally there is an affinity between the Irish and the Scots.

Is there? I heard an Irish man calling for ‘Scottish ancestry’ Northern Irish people to be deported back to Scotland on LBC a few days ago.

Justanopinionnothingmore · 12/06/2026 09:36

KitchenReno · 11/06/2026 10:16

Biscuit

Hard agree. It's just another rage bait post.

Walkyrie · 12/06/2026 09:34

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 09:29

Yeah it's the exact same vibe - I don't know why a English people get so offended or expect support from Irish people. We can work with you, befriend you, love you, sleep with you, marry you, have kids with you... But don't expect us to cheer for you in sports.

I’m English and I don’t expect support from Irish people at all, I expect them to support Ireland Confused even then I don’t care if they support someone else entirely, or nobody.

But this thread wasn’t ’AIBU to expect everyone to support England’, it was ‘AIBU to make a song and dance of supporting anyone BUT England as they’re AWFUL’ (pretty much). It gets very boring after a while.

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 09:29

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 12/06/2026 09:18

If anyone actually asked me, I’d just say I don’t support any of them, I’m not interested in football.
But I’d still be quietly pleased if I heard that England had won a match, and ditto Scotland and Wales - as long as it wasn’t against England…

I’m reminded of the bloke with a T shirt that said ‘I SUPPORT NEW ZEALAND - AND WHOEVER’S PLAYING AUSTRALIA’. 😂

Edited

Yeah it's the exact same vibe - I don't know why a English people get so offended or expect support from Irish people. We can work with you, befriend you, love you, sleep with you, marry you, have kids with you... But don't expect us to cheer for you in sports.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 12/06/2026 09:18

If anyone actually asked me, I’d just say I don’t support any of them, I’m not interested in football.
But I’d still be quietly pleased if I heard that England had won a match, and ditto Scotland and Wales - as long as it wasn’t against England…

I’m reminded of the bloke with a T shirt that said ‘I SUPPORT NEW ZEALAND - AND WHOEVER’S PLAYING AUSTRALIA’. 😂

drammmalllammma · 12/06/2026 09:10

We are English but we as a family support Wales for rugby because my Mum was Welsh aand England for football. I will also be supporting group D because that my family sweepstake group 😀

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 09:09

IcedPurple · 12/06/2026 09:03

In my experience the vast majority of Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh people get on perfectly fine.

There may indeed be an 'affinity' between Irish and Scots. But there is also lingering anti-Irish sentiment among certain football fan bases. Far worse than in any English club.

But you are English yes? I often hear my English rellies, colleagues, friends, acquaintances declare confidently there is NO issue with England and Ireland and never was.

There certainly was in my lifetime.

However there is very very little these days, the tiniest bit... Literally not cheering for England in sports is the only bit left and I've never seen it be anything but good natured.

IcedPurple · 12/06/2026 09:03

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 08:57

Generally there is an affinity between the Irish and the Scots.

In my experience the vast majority of Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh people get on perfectly fine.

There may indeed be an 'affinity' between Irish and Scots. But there is also lingering anti-Irish sentiment among certain football fan bases. Far worse than in any English club.

Goditsmemargaret · 12/06/2026 08:57

IcedPurple · 12/06/2026 08:50

. I know many of us Tartan Army are prepping to get the hell out of Boston before the English arrive, if it was the Welsh or the Irish I am certain we'd be factoring in a joint party.

Yes, I'm sure all the Rangers supporters among the adorable cuddly tartan army would be really looking forward to partying with Irish fans!

Seriously, there are bad elements among all fan bases. The idea that England supporters are uniquely violent is decades out of date. England, unlike other countries, has made great efforts to tackle bad behaviour among fans, and it's mostly been successful.

Generally there is an affinity between the Irish and the Scots.

IcedPurple · 12/06/2026 08:50

Strangerthanfictions · 12/06/2026 07:36

I can't speculate why, but they frequently do. It's regularly featured in the media around big tournaments that it's ridiculous the Scots don't support England. Then we had the year of the anyone but England T Shirts and that all kicked off. Our fans are very different to English fans, the Tartan army are beloved, fun, respectful but obviously do drink and party, the English fans are a bit edgy, there's a fear they'll kick off if they don't win or that they might cause trouble and be rowdy - they always seem to expect to win and have the chops to do it but then fluff it, there's an arrogance and and edge to some sectors of the English fan base that really is off-putting. I know many of us Tartan Army are prepping to get the hell out of Boston before the English arrive, if it was the Welsh or the Irish I am certain we'd be factoring in a joint party.

. I know many of us Tartan Army are prepping to get the hell out of Boston before the English arrive, if it was the Welsh or the Irish I am certain we'd be factoring in a joint party.

Yes, I'm sure all the Rangers supporters among the adorable cuddly tartan army would be really looking forward to partying with Irish fans!

Seriously, there are bad elements among all fan bases. The idea that England supporters are uniquely violent is decades out of date. England, unlike other countries, has made great efforts to tackle bad behaviour among fans, and it's mostly been successful.

DontBuyAnotherBook · 12/06/2026 08:11

Why also presume it will be violent when the English fans arrive in Boston? Most are fine.

DontBuyAnotherBook · 12/06/2026 08:09

Strangerthanfictions · 12/06/2026 07:36

I can't speculate why, but they frequently do. It's regularly featured in the media around big tournaments that it's ridiculous the Scots don't support England. Then we had the year of the anyone but England T Shirts and that all kicked off. Our fans are very different to English fans, the Tartan army are beloved, fun, respectful but obviously do drink and party, the English fans are a bit edgy, there's a fear they'll kick off if they don't win or that they might cause trouble and be rowdy - they always seem to expect to win and have the chops to do it but then fluff it, there's an arrogance and and edge to some sectors of the English fan base that really is off-putting. I know many of us Tartan Army are prepping to get the hell out of Boston before the English arrive, if it was the Welsh or the Irish I am certain we'd be factoring in a joint party.

Some England fans. I am sure some Scotland fans are also aggressive and drunk and violent. Manchester and others probably don't want the Old Firm down here very often.

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