Is England’s World Cup entitlement unique, or common in other countries?

It's hope not entitlement and obviously the team and the fans want to win it. What is with this unnecessary trend on MN to rubbish and belittle England and the UK continually ffs

Oh dear. Some people are going to have a MISERABLE next few weeks. How to make something joyous so opinionated.

Do other countries have the same sense of entitlement to winning the World Cup as we do? All this 30, now 60, years of hurt thing, all the comments about how useless England are, that's gone on for as long as I can remember, how rubbish the managers are etc.

I've never researched it but we can't be the only country to have only won one, or zero World Cups.

Is it unique to England? Or our supporters, I doubt the team has the same sense of entitlement.

Oh dear. Some people are going to have a MISERABLE next few weeks. How to make something joyous so opinionated.

Optimism and positivity is not the same as entitlement. Do you even follow football OP? We have some of the best players in the world.

Right-y ho!!! Enjoy the next few weeks then 😂

(and you were LITERALLY replying to my post!)

I'm replying to OP, not to you. The OP only mentioned the song in passing as part of a longer post.

Yes, I do think England fans, when looking at the culture as a whole, tend to have a sense of entitlement to winning international tournaments. You don't have to 'get it' – it's subjective.

Ok I missed your point then as this entire thread has been about this song. Sorry what is your point then? That England fans think they are more entitled to win the World Cup than any other nation? I don’t get your point.

Anyone want to critique Vindaloo

I'm not talking about the song.

I know! imagine taking song lyrics that seriously and getting so annoyed by them and thinking they represent the entire UK.

By that rationale, I think Abba's song winner takes it all is extremely bloody rude. It means that all of Sweden thinks if you lose, you deserve to have nothing at all and are considered "small". Rude.

Anyone want to critique Vindaloo

We're going to lose
We're going to lose
We're going... we're going to lose

Let's be honest, folks
Don't get above our station
60 years we've failed
To win it for our nation

We know that we're rubbish, we've no hope
It's such a stupid tro-o-o-ope: to be thinking
We could win; put that thought in the bi-i-i-n!
There's no way, we can't play
As well as Bra-zil...

Let's not waste our time
Stay at home complaining
That we'll never win
And it's always raining...........

@TheVeryThingI've drawn France in our family sweepstake

I’m starting to wonder if some of the people on here have actually read the words to the song. It’s so funny how literal people can be.

Do you really not see the irony and humour in it at all? You really think we all take it that seriously? Honestly some comments on here. It’s a football match. It’s meant to be fun.

I get what you’re saying about ‘entitlement’, OP. I think it goes further than optimism, and strays into ‘it’s ours for the taking’. And the continual theme of how ‘deserving’ England are – despite frequently playing quite crap football in international competition.

Since modern football originated in England, I’m sure that’s part of it.

There’s this very odd sense that the fans literally embody the football team. Which is the case in league football as well. I think it’s can get pretty unhealthy really. And annoying.

It’s a shame most of the games are at terrible times for GMT this time.

I grew up in Scandinavia and no that entitlement. - And I actually think thats a good word for it - is not there. There is hope and wishes and wanting the team to do great but not the "home" I find sportsmanship often lacks in the UK to me thats shown by the reputation British football fans carry abroad.

Ive always disliked the song as the idea a trophy being able to have a "home" annoys me. I recall a song done in my birth country when I was a child for a world cup where the lyric went something like "we will win and get the trophy with us home" aka they would go home with the trophy not the trophy coming home. (they didnt win but were still greeted as heros on return)

However I also fully expect to be told Im wrong and I just dont get Britishness or humour. As heavens forbid someone has a different view to the.majority. I do understand its a song. That doesn't mean I have to like it or that I think everyone thinks thst. It just means that I think its inappropriate and my view is that there is entitlement.

Edited

I had a row with one of my then teen DNs during the 2018 world cup when the song had blasted back into the charts as they tried to claim it was a song "their generations" had discovered.

Considering I bought that song on cassette single from good old Wollies years before they were even born, I took exception to their possessiveness.

But I now can't believe that song is 30 or that I am now so old!