To find lazy adults really grating?

I can empathise as I'm in a similar situation. So often people who are able to be very active don't recognise their own privilege.

MN is brutal. I hate to think what this thread will look like this afternoon, when the ones who wake up at 3pm have seen it.

sitting in front of a screen to be on MN might be easy.

Many jobs are anything but "easy", it's not just sitting down all day. Next it will be that the managers have an easy life 😂

That's why people can't get on, because as soon as you start judging and feeling superior, you really can't be friends.

I don’t understand why you’re so jealous of her?

She’s doing what she wants and you’re doing what you want.

Some people have different sleep patterns and some people need more sleep than others.

I’ll never understand the superiority of people who wake up early.
I wake up way earlier than you most days due to my work but I don’t think you’re lazy for having a lie in compared to me.

I couldn’t think of anything worse than being on tik tok all day, I’m not even on it.
You also couldn’t pay me to go rock climbing, deep water diving or sky diving, which people do all of the time.
But if someone wants to spend their free time doing that then so be it.

You may think that she’s wasting her life but what business is it of yours - why does it affect you so much?

Why are you even friends? It’s clear you don’t like each other.

But you’re looking down on her?!

And yes… tbh, you do sound like a bitch.

Leave her alone and let her do what she wants.

I’m in my 40s and never been a morning person - however much I’d like to, my body clock is naturally set to going to bed later and getting up later. Although on a weekday I have no choice but to wake at 7am every day as I have kids. During weekends and holidays however I will rarely wake before 8am and love having a lie in until 10ish if I have no plans that day. I do love my bed though and even if I’m home I’d often choose laying on my bed resting/checking emails etc rather than sat on the sofa and in the evening I love nothing more than retreating to bed early with a hot drink and my iPad to watch a series or read a book. We are all different. I’ve learnt to accept this is how I am but often faced with early birds who seem to act superior that they wake up at the crack of dawn all cheery and light. I can barely muster a “good morning” until I’ve had a shower, coffee and thawed out until around 11am 🤪

I agree! But several in this thread have said its unproductive- hence my post 😂

How on earth keeping yourself healthy can be viewed as unproductive is ludicrous to me

What’s your stance on shiftworkers?

of course going to the gym is not unproductive!

It's not mandatory, but it counts in the list of achievements as much as anything else productive.

This.

I also have a friend who is, let’s say, a lot more laid back than me but they aren’t going to change so I accept that it’s pointless to to anything with them til late afternoon!
Do i think they’re a bit lazy? Yup! Does not affect me? Not really. Could I live like that? Not in a million years.

I’d love to be a morning person, but I’m just not. I had a job where I had to be up and out of the door at 6am for a while - and it still didn’t turn me into a morning person.

I just function better later in the day. Left to my own devices I would probably go for a 3am to 10.30am sleeping pattern. I’m self-employed and currently I’m often up to around 5am working.

When it’s our time to die, no one is going to give you a medal for adopting a sleeping pattern that someone else decided was morally superior. It literally doesn’t matter.

In your OP you said "I have a friend"

You have then spent nearly three hours making some quite nasty comments about your "friend".

I don't think it's the friend who has their priorities wrong...

I never said it was a service to mankind though nor did I say it was a "virtue".

I don't think gardening, reading, walking dogs or going to the gym need to be elevated into moral virtues to be worthwhile ways of spending time. I wouldnt even say that helping a neighbour move was particularly a "service to mankind" either - it just something normal you might do to be helpful in the course of your day.

What I have constantly been trying to say is going to the gym is not "unproductive" which is what quite a few people have said and I strongly disagree with that.

Looking after your mental and physical health is not unproductive. I feel that to in order to "prove" the OP wrong lots of people have gone a bit OTT the other way by claiming going to gym is pointless etc and thats just as ridiculous.

Looking after your health can never be pointless if it helps you feel better and surely, thats no different to all the arguments saying relaxing is good?- both exercise and relaxation make you feel good so if one is "unproductive" then they both must be!

I think you and your friend just have to accept you are different. Ask her to stop ridiculing you. Stop judging her.

I'm 'lazy'. It's the way I'm made, nothing to do with age or intelligence, I'm just a lazy person who would rather be in bed at 9 am unless I can avoid it. I'd never ridicule anyone for having a 'productive' hobby though.

I don't know why you think it's superior to get up in the middle of the night. If that's your sleep pattern, fine, but some of us are night owls and have a later schedule and lots of people are just...normal. 5:30 isn't a normal wake-up time.

"Pillar of being an adult", what absolute rubbish.

You say your problem is that she ridicules you but you are massively disparaging of her so I'm not surprised. Perhaps both of you need to stop being so judgemental of other people living their lives.

Ugh this whole grind culture is grinding. Going to the gym and running is what YOU like doing! So what? Does that mean you are better than her? Being an adult means that she can choose to
do what she wants - and she works and sleeps. That’s fine! She is hurting no one. Get on LinkedIn ffs

Except you don’t sound like a very nice person. Is there a gym where you can work on improving kindness levels and tone down spite?

Some people don't think about the impact physical jobs have on people!

WHY are you "friend" with her?

You are being ridiculous to be so superior because you get up early. Some people exercise at 5am, but others exercise at 10pm and work until past midnight. Neither are superior, it's just different sleep pattern.
Surely it makes sense to be up when you are most efficient, when you have the choice. I'll be sleeping until 11am most days if I had a chance.

She has a massive chip on her shoulder for ridiculing you for being active.

I can't understand lazy people, and people who have no interest in life, I don't judge but I can't get on with people who are not very active, and all my friends are sporty as it happens. If someone's only hobbies are gardening and crochet, good for them, but we won't get on.

I am not friends with them though.

What's the point if you both clearly dislike each other? If you were sisters, fair enough, but "friends"? You are BU😂

Of course it’s not a “pillar” of being an adult to get up early!! Where on earth did you learn that??

I’m in my fifties, and given the choice, I’d be in bed till about 10.30 every day. I often work long (12+) hour days, until late in the evening, and if you had a go at me for what time I got up, I’d tell you to fuck off and mind your own business.

You’re the one looking down on her. You’re not a better person because you go to the gym and wake up at 5 in the morning. I would hate to have friends like you.

This is definitely a thing - see the thread about preachy vegans.

I'm thinking such threads are a close second to the ones where there is one post then they fuck off.

I’m not surprised - people really underestimate the impact of physical jobs versus sitting at a desk all day.