To be increasung concerned about Restore Britain.

Palestine is run by a government that explicitly wants all Jews to be killed.

Israel has had every right to defend itself against attacks against extreme Islamism.

Israel defending itself is not a justification for extremists to invade a country and carry out mass rapes and mass murder.

And anyone who pretends they think otherwise is a racist.

This Labour government (and previous governments) have failed to address the uncontrolled immigration that goes on day in, day out. Our country cannot support that level of immigration. Yes we need immigrants but not at this current rate.

According to a quick Google, 'The Labour Party manifesto promised to reduce net migration by ending the over-reliance on overseas workers. Key pledges included linking immigration and skills policies, creating a new Border Security Command to tackle small boat crossings, and establishing a new returns and enforcement unit to accelerate removals. They promised to process asylum applications faster and end the use of hotels for housing asylum seekers. They promised new capped, safe, and legal routes for refugees, alongside working internationally to address the root causes of humanitarian crises.'

I don't see much evidence of any of this. Now, instead of holding up their hands and trying to do better and admitting they are failing us, they have the cheek to blame us for being 'far right' if we protest about any of this! So of course you're going to get hard liners like Farage and Lowe who propose drastic (and unpalatable) measures. This government needs to go. I may vote Tory for the first time ever, but 2029 is a long way off.

You'd have to have police officers and border force officers willing to actually drag children from their beds, put them in the back of police vans, imprison them, and then drag them onto planes. They would have to all be accompanied by officers and handed over to border officials in their respective countries. We dont have millions of officers to spare to sit on flights to deport "millions" of people. Also, I dont think anyone would be willing to actually drag those children away. This isn't America. ICE may be full of star spangled banner worshipping, gun loving, psychis in uniform, but we just don't have that mindset here. Or people willing to do that to others. Police might be incompetent and some slightly racist and lazy. But as Pink Floyd sang "you'll never hear their standard issue kicking in your door"

And I'd prefer to live next door to a three headed Martian than my current "British" weed smoking, unemployed, racist dickhead neighbours. So I dont think thay party will win many votes.

I’m also mixed race but due to my Fathers very dominant genetics I pass for full. I remember racism in the 1970’s as a child and it does feel we are going backwards. Rate and quality of immigrants sounds bad doesn’t it but I understand this and have non white friends who also feel this way.

The one thing about Restore is it will split the vote with Reform it’s the only positive I can think of.

Thanks for such a succinct post @KateSixer, I also have a lot of time for Kemi.

Nah. She wouldn't handle it well in power. She'd get jittery and knee jerk into ineffectual radical stuff disguised as ' strong' leadership. She's not the Maggie she thinks she is.

It is not possible to get ILR in months. It takes 5 years and a number of conditions need to be satisfied. A quick look at the Gov UK site will show that. Legal immigration has been significantly tightened.

I’m not concerned, they’ll split the far right vote and that can only be a good thing.

I have never heard of anyone getting ILR in months, they may have not been honest with you.

Re the op all the parties and what’s going on is a symptom of a system that isn’t working.

Again, when or how?

During apartheid black South Africans were called terrorists for fighting for freedom. Some countries supported them, some did not. Interestingly enough Israel supported the SA Apartheid regime, so in light of today would we still say black South Africans were the were the terrorists? What would we say about the countries that supported and propped up the Apartheid regime?

if we look at what happened before the 7th attacks against Israel. Months before, years before, would you say the Israeli attacks against Palestines were terrorist attacks as well? That would be fair, so that means both Palestine and Israel would be guilty of terrorist attacks no?

Same re Kemi. The trickier part is her party lag in public perception. I’d love to see her as PM though, the men could learn from her on how to fix stuff.

Then these are not the people he is on about. I've seen people reporting that they got ILR in months so how is this possible with the above?

Maybe everyone needs to be honest about the nature of the problem from the get go and then we will all have some facts and proper stats to base judgements on?

I think arguments are useless regarding Restore and Reform. Don't you all know fascists practise mission creep once they get in power. It's the number one rule in their playbook. You'll all be deported eventually because you said something they didnt like. The level of gullability in this country is staggering. I'm.pretty sure the leaders all turn into Griffin behind closed doors. I bet the leaders sit there rubbing their hands and laughing while they plot how they are going to rob UK blind and bugger off before anyone realise what is going on. You all fell for the numbers on the bus and now it's happening all over again. Unbelievable.

Agree completely. I just cannot vote Reform on this principle. I desperately want immigration dealt with properly though. No more asylum seekers, net 0 migration, no more bringing 6 dependants or ‘student visas’ allowing people to enter via back door routes.

I bet.

But would that actually be a good thing? Much as I dislike Lowe/Farage, a Labour victory in the by-election will just lead to more of kicking the can down the road and pretending the UK does not have serious issues when it so obviously does.

I think the only hope to avoid extremism is for the centre parties to wake up and act!

I know.

And remember when he was foaming at the mouth about gender critical views being explored on (quote) ‘if you can believe it, Mumsnet’.

His contempt for women, particularly is boring mums, is palpable.

Owen Jones is a perpetual victim.
The only danger from the far right is that the moderates in politics just keep pointing at them rather than addressing the issues underlying their popularity.

Owen Jones is always the first to try to shut down debate. He is a big part of the problem.

Owen Jones is a hateful bigot

Restore are utterly horrendous but they are splitting the Reform vote and ultimately I think Labour will win Makerfield BECAUSE Restore steal Reform votes, which is pretty funny.

They are cartoonish 'baddies'. The Greens are the same.

Legal immigrants have to do this. They are not entitled to benefits for 5 years and pay a huge sum in NHS costs.

Because successive conservative governments decided that was never a priority.

I was listening to a woman on the radio yesterday about the abuse she (white) and her black husband and mixed race kids face on a daily business. I found it hard to believe but that's probably my white privilege talking. It's very sad what is happening to the UK and I can see it getting a whole lot worse if Restore or Reform get in.

He's repeatedly defended terrorists or terrorist apologists.

He's a vile racist.