To be increasung concerned about Restore Britain.

The schengen area us a group of countries that have a very deep agreement on citizens movements. A Schengen area citizen has to register with another Schengen area country if they are staying for longer than 3 months, so if they move there for work or retirement. They will have to provide their data, much like a visa application, but is is really never going to be refused. Just checked with police, in case of any issues.
Also, Schengen nationals can apply for non-Schengen spouses or dependants to join them. That is a full on visa process.

Whatever that has to do with assylum. I do not think assylum details will be on that. It is possible that is in a similar database, as it will need to be accessed by the very same points at border control.

This is what I think should happen: Invest in economic growth- starting with undoing the harm that Brexit has already wreaked, even though now there are also other pressure points of course, the EU isn't a magic pill, but the single market would be a good start. With that boost in growth, tax more effectively and use that to better manage and fund public services, starting with the police and justice systems. Once you tackle the root causes of the discontent (CoL, housing, public services access) you will find that immigration fades into the background. Our problem is that we are struggling right now and Musk, Trump and Putin are all trying to whip us up into a frenzy. Non EU immigration had a HUGE spike under the Tories just as Brexit was implemented (in that same window many EU citizens actually left). In the last twelve months, people have been starting to leave in significant numbers. I'm not sure that's good news because we need the workforce but it shows the situation is not 'out of control'. I think two things must be looked at on their own merit: do we objectively have more foreign-related criminality or is it just perception due to social media influencers, or do we in fact have the immigration question pretty much under control and what we need to do now is focus on the real economic questions that have caused everyone to get poorer. For me it is the latter.

I doubt many of those voters even looked at the manifesto which isn’t relevant to local politics anyway. Given Reform’s performance in the councils it took over that success is unlikely to be repeated when they’re next up for election.

Either:

• people agree with their immigration commitments
• people are annoyed at Labour or the conservatives and want to punish them

It could be any of those. Although if it is the immigration policies that's a bit counterintuitive since local.councils.dont have a say in that.

But I can disagree with other people. So I don't see what the arguement that many people signify means anyway. It's not in itself a good argument for what something is true/a good idea

Same way we Brexited for the sunny uplands and tanked our economy.
Short memories.

@StandFirm

"rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area."

Look around you. Where could this possibly be happening?

Interesting @StandFirm, how will it result into an economic cost for us?

How do people explain Reform’s success in the May local elections?

Given the immigration commitments in their manifesto.

Genuine question, do you think there's any issues with the level of immigration currently, or do you think there are any associated issues?

If so, what do you think can be done in a more effective and fair way to rectify? How should governments be tackling it?

I am not defending her, I see a bit of an issue with her indeed. But it is an example. What Reform and Restore are saying is miles away from deporting people like Maria, which is already happening.

The economic cost of this is immeasurable. That means our prosperity WILL come to an end. You and I will be poorer. 100% certainty. The man's a moron or a traitor or both.

That is not my quote, but I will comment on it. Pre Brexit, there were very few boat crossings because lorries were waved through customs from the EU into the UK and very, very few checks were being carried out. It is a complete myth to say that pre Brexit we had a handle on illegal migration, because we did not. We still have no idea how many made it through in the backs of lorries, other than the poor sods who suffocated, because they simply vanished into the black economy.

The stats on the Dublin agreement show that the UK sent almost no people back to where they had come from. Almost none.

Remigration is a re-brand of the extremist ethnic cleansing idea. The United Nations defines ethnic cleansing as "rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove persons of given groups from the area." Campaigns Director Charlie Downes has explicitly stated their long-term goal is an "ethnically homogeneous Christian Britain," which matches the core intent of the UN definition. This I find very chilling: The "Voluntary" Push For those with legal status or citizenship, the party advocates "re-migration" via incentives. This involves using negative pressure such as removing access to public services to make life difficult enough that people choose to leave. How is that right if all you've ever known is life in the UK? Where else are you going to go to have a decent life? It's disgusting. Simply disgusting.

Where have they said this? Quotes directly taken from the Reform website below, they talk about ILR benefits:

"In order to avert this, Restore Britain will reverse mass immigration. If a legally resident foreign national is unable to speak English, lives in social housing, claims benefits, refuses to work, fails to integrate, commits crime or actively hates our way of life and wishes to do us harm, they will be deported. All state benefits will be withdrawn from foreign nationals and British citizenship will be redefined so that it is far more difficult to obtain. If an individual surrenders his second citizenship in an attempt to fraudulently remain in Britain, we will take the necessary steps to reverse that process and deport them. If that means millions go, then millions go."

"ILR must be overhauled. This will boost emigration, easing pressure on public services and housing. These changes must be applied to those already here.
Non-citizens should only be in Britain on strict, time-limited terms that are conditional on work, tax contribution, and good character.
A Restore Britain government would cancel all of ILR’s associated benefits. Funds for foreign nationals who wish to return home as a result of an end to such benefits ought to be made available. In the long run, this scheme would be far cheaper than allowing them to stay.
The only remaining perk associated with ILR status would be indefinite residency along the lines enjoyed by British expatriates in places like Dubai. This status would be easily revocable on our terms at any time."

Any foreign national in receipt of benefits, living in social housing or unable to speak English will go under Restore.

Murderers and rapists can also expect the death sentence.

If Labour don’t get a grip on immigration and the islamification of Britain then support for Restore will surge. Before that, a civil war is increasingly becoming less of a far fetched concern.
Im right wing and follow both Reform, Restore and the conservatives and believe me if people are worried about Reform, they’re going to have a hell of a shock if they read Restores policies
I support conservatives myself - I did flirt with Reform for a while but Badenoch has brought me back to the Tories. The problem is people don’t want centre right or centre left anymore. They want the extremes from both sides.

Restore.
Millions must go.
Restore have explicitly said they will remove ILR. And not just from criminals. There are not enough "lazy" migrants to make up those millions so presumably some of those with ILR retrospectively removed will be hardworking.

Pre-Brexit, there were pretty few small boat crossing (9 recorded between July 0214 - May 2016). It was post-brexit that the small boat crossings really took off. By and large, the same people who voted Brexit are the ones now voting reform to resolve an issue almost entirely caused by the very thing they voted for in the first place - baffling.

This is spot on, @hairbearbunches . I only know a handful of people who voted for Brexit, but this is exactly how they think. They cannot come up with an alternative explanation for the increase in people arriving in small boats or that Brexit might possibly have anything to do with it, even after the Dublin III return regulation has been explained to them.

In some ways, it's almost comical, and a classic case of "be careful what you wish for". My MIL's "Poles and Lithaunians" have been replaced by Fillipinos, and now she's even more pissed off than she was before Brexit.

Who has said hard-working migrants will be kicked out?

From what I understand all parties still support skilled immigration?

But the current situation includes much stricter rules on benefits than most other countries and a system where asylum seekers don't qualify for benefits at all. And a Home Secretary who wants to go much further than that. And a big reduction in the numbers of arrivals by boat this year as well as overall net migration.
It's never going to be enough though. No matter what the government does someone can always claim along with a more extreme proposal and someone else will say "this is what happens when you don't meet people halfway".

Yes and the Greens in some kind of coalition. Then we really would be in deep shite.

@Persephonia1966the Sudanese man entered via Dublin from France.

Interpol doesn't cover everything it's useful if someone has fled an arrest warrant and you want other countries to arrest them. It's less useful if you want to check someone definitely doesn't have criminal charges against them elsewhere. As I understand it the visa data isn't just for EU citizens since they don't need visas to move around anyway. It's more EU residents which is a different thing and would include settled refugees. I might have that wrong though.
But a lot of the most terrible migrant cases we are hearing about now seem to involve people who came here in the chaotic few years after the UKs withdrawal. That might just be because that's the timeline needed for bad people to come to light though. It doesn't automatically prove that leaving the EU data sharing agreement made it harder to identify risks. But it strongly implies it.

Read what I said.

i said stop any more coming. Train our own, if you want more details. You may have got me mixed up with the other poster.

I was taking issue with the idea of just ‘vanishing’ millions.

But there is no good faith left in Britain. Or at least on the internet. We’re overrun.

TBH I am increasingly concerned about this government.