To think men should not be allowed to be gynaecologists

How can I report this thread? I think it's sexist and inappropriate and it's annoyed me. Just like it would be inappropriate to ban women from being urologists and treating men. Or to ban anyone from doing any profession really. What we actually need is more doctors in general, so that patients can freely choose whomever they're most comfortable with. And the generalizing posts are also ridiculous...like "We dont want male midwives"...speak for yourself please!

‘Icky’? Why is it ‘icky’? (Never seen anyone over the age of 6 use that word before) 😬

It is perfectly reasonable to insist on same sex care.

i don’t have an issue with a man poking about down there

How utterly ridiculous. The gynecologist I've seen regularly is male and I feel way way more comfortable than with a woman. Female gynecologists have given me far more of an ick. I've also had a bad (borderline sexual harrassment) experience with a male orthopedist, nothing to do with gynecology there. It's down to individual people and preferences and I find this thread really offensive actually.

@ThingsAreNotWhatTheyWere interestingly, I used to work with a lot of male gynaecologists. Then my husband had to get his prostate checked out, and the consultant urologist that looked after him was the daughter of our former lead clinician for obs and gynae (male).

Sorry, not read the whole thread but yes - men should not be gynecologists. t's a bit icky. I always insist on same-sex care for intimate stuff.

98% of all offenders prosecuted for sexual offences are men.

I'm really sorry but I don't quite understand how someone can reach adulthood and not know that men pose a significantly higher risk. Even if you have no life experience of this, it isn't as if it is under reported.

Doctors or other HCP aren't some special godly angelic breed of men, they represent the rest of society where a significant minority of men presents a real and present danger to women, particularly with regards to sexual assault, than other women do, and where some of these men will make a great deal of effort to get themselves into positions of authority and isolation with women.

you can reverse it

How can I trust someone with intimate care, just because she's a woman? How can I trust that she won't hurt or even injure me?

I don't trust someone more (or less) because they are male or female. I am not more comfortable with a man or woman. It's completely irrelevant.

My brother in law is a gynaecologist oncologist consultant. I don’t think he spent years training just to get a look at women’s vaginas. Ohh he is also married to my brother.

Agree.

I challenge these women to take a browse of any of the health care tribunal websites, GMC, NMC, HCPC and filter by 'struck off' andv start clicking on male names.

I'm a HCP, i am currently involved with an ongoing case (sacked, but pending professional tribunal), this man has been allowed near vulnerable women for close to 2 decades.

I have many wonderful male colleagues who i would absolutely trust with my life, and crucially my DDs life, but others i would not let near her. When i go to gynae i take pot luck with an unknown male every time, I've yet to see the females consultant I'm under, maybe these men are fine, but maybe they are like the predator I had the misfortune to work with who has thankfully now been sacked, but not before at least one young women had to suffer (including a PTSD diagnosis) at his hands.

I consider myself to be a robust person who is able to move on from bad experiences however I really envy posters on this thread who seem not to have had negative experiences with men to the extent that they feel vigilant and slightly suspicious around trusting strange ones with intimate care. Bring able to trust a random men and random women equally in intimate healthcare situations is not something many people I know, based on discussions I’ve had, are able to do.

I really don't feel comfortable judging people according to their sex. Some men will make great gynaecologists, and some women will; likewise some won't (of either sex). It will depend a lot on their ability to empathise and listen rather than what sex they are.

I had an abortion many years ago, and I had a male medical student with me throughout the whole journey (as my reasoning was how else would he learn). He made the whole experience so much better as he just kept talking to me and listening and not judging, ever. Which was down to him as a human being, and not what sex he was I think.

I hate all this "lived experience" bullshit. I work almost exclusively with incredibly wealth people. I am - sadly - not such a person. Should I not provide them with my services?

I have a psychiatrist (also qualified as an OBGYN) who specialises in women's psychiatric disorders. I see him for PMDD; a woman could not be any more understanding, knowledgeable and helpful than him. So what he has never personally experienced the symptoms of PMDD? Presumably, you only want to see a Dr who has had TB for your TB? An oncologist who has had cancer for your cancer? An orthopaedic surgeon with knees replaced for a knee replacement, but a different one with new hips for a hip replacement? Saying you need a woman for gynaecological services because she has "lived experience" is just as silly.

No i didn't claim that at all, i responded to someone claiming that without Robert Winston we would not have IVF. This isn't how science works. No scientist works in isolation, they build on what came before them. Brilliant minds in the right place at the right time. Given the opportunity a women would have achieved the same discovery around the same time, or a different man.

I don't think you can complain unless you also think it's unreasonable for a women to specialise in urology. What matters is whether they are good at their jobs.
Having said that I always prefer a female doctor and I assume you could have said you wanted to see a female doctor or have a chaperone in the room with you.

I’d just want the best gynaecologist. Couldn’t care less what bits they’ve got.

never occurred to you that some women ARE dismissive of other women's pain, because they don't experience it themselves, or they think you just get on with it - while men can be more respectful?

But nice of you to dismiss other women's experience because obviously they don't count. If you are not a male yourself, you are worst than them.

Some of the posts say that, some say the opposite, some are in between.

I don’t think that people should not be able to voice their opinions? And how insulting to suggest that’s misogyny.

Most have said women have the right to choose!

Not as many as female. A year off per baby for mat leave, then reduced hours. It’s not a like for like situation

Should I allow a male vet to tend to my female cat?

YABU. Although I'm biased. My grandfather was the first doctor to perform the colposcopy in the UK.

He went to Germany to be trained in 1965, as they had been doing Colposcopies since the 1920's and we didn't do them. He then established the first colposcopy clinic in the UK. He also co-founded the British Colposcopy Group (now the BSCCP) as a way to standardise training and further the prevention of cervical cancer.

Saying that, Its not unreasonable to only want to be treated by a female where possible. I think everyone should be entitled to be treated by someone they feel comfortable with.

It’s so predictable that many of the responses are “The BEST gynaecologists ever are men, and women actually suck at it.” Same as with threads about nursery workers. Mad levels of misogyny so close to the surface 🤢

But it’s a fact that some women choose to leave the workforce relatively young or for a number of years when they have children.

It’s also more common in the professions as their partners tend to be high earners too and so they are better able to afford to do so.

This means that if you exchange male staff for female that you need more of them to end up with the same coverage.

Women don't have sex "with males" - makes them sound like rabbits. Gynae issues could start before they've had sex with anyone or when they are sexually inactive, or when they have only had female partners, or when they've had sex with the same man for 46 years.

What a charming post. Sounds like someone out of The Handmaid's Tale.

I can’t. I have ZERO choice. It’s one of 2 male gynaes in my hospital trust or nothing