To think men should not be allowed to be gynaecologists

Handmaids?! You’re the one that wants to determine jobs by sex

Grow up

Adam Kaye is a raging misogynist. I reread his book and was quite shocked at some of the descriptions and dismissiveness.

I completely get it OP.

I agree in that I would also question the motive of a man going into that specialty, I do find it awkward talking about those things with a man, and I don't think it's the same as saying, for example, that only people who have had cancer can should be oncologists. Obviously.

I dont think men should be gynaecologists.Then again, I don't think men should be nursery nurses or midwives either. We wouldn't really be able to enforce that though, in this day and age.

That said, you must have known you'd have your arse handed to you suggesting such a thing on MN!

Strongly disagree.

I have just about every gynecological going.

First gyn was male. His surgery changed by life. Eased the pain. Made living possible again - no constant agony, no more constant painkillers, flooding, fainting, vomiting, missing work,.

Second was female and one of the most dismissive medical professionals I ever met.

Current one also female and is excellent. When I switched to her, she reviewed all my old records and commented on how lucky I was to have the first gyn do my surgery as it was very complex and the results he were well above standard outcomes. He said he was about 20 years ahead of most gyns in the country as he had spend 7 years abroad learning from some of the best.

Surely the best outcome is the most important part not the sex of the doctor.

So how does this all work women want women to be home having babies and not working because womens role in life is caring for others in the family so the only doctors should be men or women who dont want to have children, yet we are told women who dont have children by choice are weird

Handmaids?

They’re right you are being ridiculous

I had a horrible time with vulvodynia years ago, absolutely horrendous and the NHS did not want to know, passing me from gyno to dermatology and back again.

At one point a helpful young male doctor asked me (with a bored expression) what I expected them to do about it in my appointment, after which I had a panic attack in the corridor so that was nice. Thankfully a nurse came and helped me.

Anyway, as is usually the case with shit like this I had to throw money at it and the consultant was a kindly bloke, probably in his 60s so with donkeys years of experience and the only medical person who actually gave a shit. Yes I was paying, but he could have just been clinical about things. He really did care. He always had a female chaperone in the room and my husband could stay too, never once did I feel uncomfortable. Only relieved that finally someone was helping me.

Also in the same building, a few years later, worked the man who gave me a lovely scan up there with the wand, but successfully identified my endo - and then later zapped it which meant I could finally conceive.

But just to prove my non handmaid credentials I did have a woman consultant deliver DD. We met her a few appointments beforehand when she was trying to get me to agree to a sweep and although I refused I could see she was very forthright and no nonsense and I liked that. When the forceps and episiotomy happened, she came through the door to do all that and I remember being glad it was her.

For me the more important thing is fully trained gynaecologists. As someone dealing with endometriosis and adenomyosis and having had years of interactions where it was missed, what I want is a gynaecologist that understands these things. I dont care if they are male or female, I care that they are properly trained. The amount of specialists in this area that have a lack of understanding, give women the wrong information or dismiss women is shocking and that happens with both male and female gynaecologists.

What a ridiculous thing to say just because people disagree with you. And to say you think there’s something sinister about men who choose gynaecology as a specialism is frankly deranged.

The best gynaecologist I have seen was male. Didn’t fob me off or tell me it “is normal” referred me straight away for a diagnostic laparoscopy. I’ve had women be far more dismissive.

GP’s though, I have only had 1 amazing male doctor and only 1 female doctor I really didn’t like.

The best gynaecologist I have seen was male, the most dismissive was female.
Of course male gynaecologists shouldn't be banned, ridiculous idea.

Oh, how about this Adam Kay?

www.lyricsfreak.com/a/adam+kay+suman+biswas/menstrual+rag_20596243.html

Maybe we’re just a lot more sensible than you.

You’d probably be up in arms if a man with testicular cancer refused to be treated by a female oncologist.

But completely misogynistic in many places. Vile bloke.

As long as they are qualified then I don't care. It makes zero difference if they are male or female.

So you’re also saying female doctors shouldn’t be urologists then as they shouldn’t be examining penises? Right?

I don’t think male gynecologists should be banned, but I think Adam Kay’s book did not come across well to me from the point of his opinions about his female patients. When I later heard some of his song lyrics I wasn’t as shocked as I might have been.

Personally, I'd prefer a female gynaecologist.
But I wouldn't ban male ones, that's too far.

In the last year I have had surgeries with a male gynaecologist, a male breast cancer surgeon and about to have reconstruction with a male plastic surgeon. They are all very intimate procedures and involved a lot of intimate discussion.

I can honestly say it made zero difference to me that they were male. Each to their own and I’m all for patient choice but it simply wasn’t something which registered for me. All were professional and sensitive and very good at what they do.

My reconstruction surgeon is one of three in the country which does this particular operation - female could not have been one of my criteria even if I had wanted it to.

And where would it end. Hundreds of medical professionals must have seen me naked in the last year or asked about my periods or questions about my breasts etc. There’s often 10+ people in theatre. It just wouldn’t have been possible for them all to be female.

I have seen way too many gynaecologists in my life and the best were men. So YABU.

It’s very rare that a doctor is purely a gynaecologist- generally they are also obstetricians, and that’s a popular area of medicine because: 1. You’re bringing actual lives into the world, which is pretty cool. 2. It’s a bigger challenge because there’s effectively 2 patients, not one. 3. It’s pretty much always interesting as the run of the mill patients are handled by the midwives, 4. It gives you a dual speciality. 5. Gynae private practice is big business and well paid.

Perfectly fine for men to be gynos. Perfectly fine for any women or man to specify they want a doctor of their own sex.

I don't think you can stop men becoming gynaecologist, however my own personal preference would be to see a female doctor every single time.

My gynaecologist was amazing. He was the first person to really listen and tell me my level of suffering wasn't normal. He operated on me under local and assured me my pain threshold was high, when others had implied I was making a big old fuss about period pains. He gave me my options and listened to what I wanted. I've been pain free since 2020 after 30 years of pain.