To want to move back to england with my 5 children

I disagree. Many, many people who come here from abroad work and pay taxes here. The OP will have no way of supporting herself and working if she comes back here. How are you supposed to support yourself with six children. She’ll need a house with at least three/four bedrooms. She’ll need childcare which would probably cost more than any salary she might earn and she’s unlikely to earn enough to pay taxes. All of this is going to be the burden of the state. We have to get away from the idea that people should just be helpless and rely on the taxpayer to fund everything.

How can she say she hasn’t defrauded the NHS when she clearly has as people have explained on here numerous times. Just because she’s got away with it doesn’t mean she should do.

It’s horrifying that she is probably still of childbearing age.

I’m sympathetic to people who take responsibility for themselves and do their best to make a life but not to those who just expect others to pick up the pieces. There are plenty of people who have been in care but manage not to have so many children they can’t support.

@tinyspiny im a Brit living in France if i need NHS care whilst in England i give my EHIC and France and our private mutuelle get charged I imagine it’s the same for OP. She doesn’t have a UK address she can’t defraud the system.

OP, do you get the benefits paid to you? That’s where I would start. Make sure you have that income.

Next contact one of the Polish charities for support in leaving but remaining in Poland.

You need to have a conversation with your DH about the nhs births. You say you’re not defrauding the nhs but also say he does all the paperwork. Make sure he’s been honest, you don’t need a massive bill heading your way.

Look at ways you can get back into the workplace in the future. Maybe some training opportunities.

I think once you are living separate lives you can judge how much input your DH will want with the children. It maybe he would not block a move back in the future if the alternative is him having to step up and parent 50%of the time alone.

Does he work? If so you’d presumably get maintenance payments too.

You're farting against thunder trying to get back to the UK with such a large brood and no job prospects for several years whilst you're raising them. Staying in Poland but separating seems your most realistic plan.

If you can begin applying for jobs in the UK and you can show that you have a chance of actually getting some work, which would be greatly beneficial to any application to relocate.
I am sure that the boys would be happier in a house with less tension but that’s not the same as them being happier in the UK. What about friends, language barriers etc? Wouldn’t they be happier staying in Poland but with you and their dad separating?
Theres unfortunately just no real way around the fact that he needs to consent to a relocation. Can you work intensely on language skills and get your Polish improved so that you can work over there?

Op I think you need to seek help in Poland first.
And if that means separate there then work out how you get you and kids back to England later then so be it.

Lawyers aren't exactly fast I can't imagine Poland is much different.
I have a friend desperate to leave the UK, its taken over a year to even get a holiday home agreed. She had been hoping to get agreement to leave permanently.

Bless you. I do understand and am angry on your behalf. Stay strong and get support. Many posters do support you and want to see you break free.

You might not return straight away but for me once I started getting support in the country I was trapped in it did help. Maybe contact one of the groups people have suggested. Take small steps forward. Truly one step at a time was how I survived and you will too.

💐stay strong 💪

The thing is OP, you have five (soon to be six) children - even if your partner agrees to you moving them to the UK, how are you going to support yourself? You won't be entitled to benefits or a council house

We do understand but it isn't that easy. You aren't entitled to housing or benefits here as you are not habitually resident. You can't bring the children without his consent. Yes physically you probably could but then you are in deep shit if he reports it and I suspect he will, he sounds like the kind of nasty vindictive sod who would just to prove he's the boss and to make you suffer.

It is going to be hard and you are going to have to fight for everything but the best thing you can do now is get information, find out how you stand legally, what help is available in Poland.

How are you planning to support yourself then in the Uk with five kids and a newborn if not on benefits?

@tryingtogohome are you having your children in a private hospital in England ? I’m not trying to knock you but you don’t seem to realise that you are potentially defrauding the NHS , having a UK passport doesn’t just entitle you to care if you live in another country .

Its a failing on the NHS that people can just access it if non-resident.
And probably a good reason why ID cards arent a bad idea.

But ultimately I do think Op should try to return rather than stay in a country with a language barrier and an abusive partner.

I don’t think she was supposed to be able to but did it for 4 of them (and intends to do it for the current one)

Totally agree.

Not to mention how is she eligible to give birth here if non resident?
Presumably she doesn’t contribute NI in the UK so won’t be eligible for benefits.

And potentially she has limited or no earning capacity in the short to mid term. From what some have said, she may have accessed the NHS to give birth several times despite not being entitled to.

She is probably going to expect benefits, housing for herself and all her children, school places, GP, general NHS etc.

@tryingtogohomelots of other organisations here https://mapujpomoc.pl/en/list-of-organizations-supporting-victims-of-violence/

@tryingtogohomecan you speak to these for assistance https://mapujpomoc.pl/placowki/centrum-wsparcia-kobiet-i-dzieci-fundacja-dla-migrantow-dobry-start-2/

Well you know what her children won't be children forever.

I'd absolutely think the UK should support its own people, especially vulerable people who have been raised in our not very adequate care system with no family to return to.

I think what Op is saying is the tip of the iceberg. She is in an abusive controlling relationship.
He's seeked out someone young and vulnerable and persuaded her to move to another country.

At most shes 40 still child bearing age with a 15 year old so early 20s getting married with first child. Straight out the care system.

Yes the UK should support her.

What job do you think she will manage as a single parent with 6 kids. Maybe cleaning 10 hours a week. The rest will be paid by the ever decreasing taxpayer.

If you want to move back you will need to get British passports for the children if they don’t already have them. You do need to send off all other passports in the application process I believe- my children are dual nationality and we had to do this.
In terms of coming to England how many times do we travel with our children and no questions where the father is? No one has ever asked me and my children enter Europe on their Eu passports and me on British. So technically although illegal you would most likely get away with it.

What is social security like in Poland could you get affordable accommodation if you leave your husband whilst there and then sort things from there.
I totally understand where you are coming from- I live in Europe in my husband’s home country. We have already discussed if we ever split I would take the children back to the UK- do you have any old friends you can contact?

This is very good advice.
As much as I think the UK should support Op it's not that simple.

Millions of Mums end up trapped in countries they don't want to be in. Because they can't get the courts to agree to let them.

I think trying to get a court to agree to a 15 year old moving country and education systems will probably be quiet hard. And the spacing of the kids she is always going to have a child in the crucial exam years. He absolutely has her trapped.

However hopefully Op you are able to find support in Poland to get away from his clutches.

You are free to offer her financial support then.

Well I'd rather support our own people before others.

Where does she say she doesn't want to work?
Her husband doesn't want her to work, he is trying to isolate her and keep her isolated