To want to move back to england with my 5 children

I think wherever you are if you’re in labour they will treat you as it is an emergency. Including in the US.

I’d love to know what would happen in say France if you turned up in labour? Would they just refuse to treat you or would the same thing happen as in the UK? Because I am not sure if we are a softer touch and how this works?

ID cards have been muted a few times in the UK but been met with resistance.

Both UK NHS and benefits systems are open to abuse.

Would the benefits agency even know if the Dad was using his Mums address for a Child Benefit claim? I'm not saying he is but it really wouldn't surprise me.

Totally agree: The NHS is in the shit and the last thing needed is someone nipping back to have yet another baby and then moving the whole brood over for us all to support.

And not to mention all the NEET young people so it’s more likely that he will be a further benefits drain. Esp if he is the one getting in trouble at school.

I think NHS users who expect to pop back to the UK when they live abroad should be stopped.

The way to do this is by using health identity cards. Every few years you get a new one mailed out to you (Uk addresses only) that is valid for a year or two. This card is scanned every time you access the NHS - to keep it legit you could also require another form of ID with proof of address at the same time. Then if you move to Poland and expect to come back and use the NHS when on holiday, and you don't have an up to date ID card, you're out of luck.

Seriously no other country in the world would put up with the NHS abuse, except the overly soft UK.

You've not counted the next baby who's not born yet so adds another chunk onto this. And one of the young ones has a disability so childcare may not be so simple, though it sounds like the childcare system is better in Poland so that's a good reason to stay put, albeit separated. Assuming OP can make that work - we don't even know her marital or citizenship status there so it's all hard to say.

Free money, council house, no requirement to work.

She’s not able to get it of course, but that was likely the plan,

Quel surprise! Soon as the difficult questions asked OP does a runner 🙄…

Op can I ask how old you were when you met him?
I just feel you must have been very young and vulnerable.

It really is the height of entitlement to be living in a first world EU country for more than a decade, but pops back to the UK to deliver on account of the language. It is also ridiculous as maternity care in Poland is really very good.

That aside, I think you need to accept your choices OP. Even if your partner gave you permission to return to the UK with your 6 children, you would be condemning them to a life of poverty and deprivation. You have a completely romanticised notion of being back in England, but the realty would really be very grim indeed.

I suggest you work on life in Poland, gain fluency, meet other mums and make a social network for yourself and look into taking advantage of all the country has to offer, with a view to being able to work in a few years time.

You absolutely must get robust contraception or sterilised, because 6 kids is rarely a good idea, any more would be insanity.

I don't know if your partner is abusive, or just a bit of a macho prick shaped by a patriarchal upbringing. But you are stuck now and need to navigate your way to improving your homelife for all involved. I have no idea what that would entail as your life really does sound tough, but a bit of pragmatism and logic would be better than fantasies about living in Doncaster etc.

Its really not unusual for single mums to work.
Think about it her oldest is 15, 11, 5, 3 and baby.
The oldest two have aged out out childcare.
But the time Op gets court agreement, divorce and leave thats the probably a year a least.
The oldest will be 16, he could potentially be going into a job or apprenticeship.

And the baby won't be far off nursery age.

While I don't blame Op for wanting to give birth with MWs who speak her first language. I do think its wrong the NHS is open to be used and abused in this way.

But there is plenty who do it. People come back to the UK after decades abroad because of the NHS.
I just don't know how you change it. Other than some sort of individual insurance scheme

When you husband fills in the forms, does he claim that you have moved back permanently? So you become eligible for nhs? I have no idea how immigration works. But if he pretends to have moved you here, would that help establish the children here? And make them habitual resident here? I think that would be something I would research.

Its interesting that there isnt a clear system to see who is and who isnt eligible to healthcare. I cant get my head round it.

In Europe everyone has to have health insurance. In some instances its paid for by the goverment, like children, students, unemployed or retired people in case of my home country. Everyone has a card/EHIC to show at the doctors. If you are a tourist, you dont have the local card and arent eligible. Its easy to tell who is and who isnt.

She is presumably not going to be able to work for a few years (more if she has even more children).

Given the OP has been there for years I don’t understand why she feels the need to nip back and have her babies.

I agree she should stay in Poland though

What will your partner say about the children going to live in England?

The will be Polish citizens after their dad but actually they are settled in Poland. They won't leave Poland if dad says no.
It would be the same in UK.

This is so true and not something you realise in that moment..

This is correct. Everyone is trying to work out citizenships but it doesn't matter whether the children have British or Polish passports, or both, they can't leave Poland permanently unless both parents agree as they're the residents of Poland.

The children are habitually resident in Poland. If their dad says "they're not on holiday, they need to come back home to go to school (where they're registered) then that's what will happen.

This is what happens when you move overseas and have kids. It's a massive risk.

Citizenship isn’t important here, it’s habitual residence.

Automatic British citizenship is given to children who have one parent who is a British citizen. Now we are no longer EU members, I'm not sure how the rules of Polish citizenship apply here, or how parental right affect this.

@tryingtogohome sending you more hugs.
One thing I want to say and maybe it will help you, see as I'm in the opposite situation, I feel I'm actually failing my kids by not raising them in the very safe EU country I'm from. Dare I say, I'm very scared of all the crime caused by this massive influx of criminals pretending to be asylum seekers. So I envy you being able to raise your kids in Poland.
Maybe the grass is always greener? 🌹
And then I think about long maternity leave and very cheap nurseries where I am from.
If you can't leave Poland, I'd suggest working on your polish as much as possible and start looking for work opportunities when kids are older as if you're aware of nursery situation in Poland, you'll know people can easily put multiple children throughout nursery.

The family would be on holiday not returning to stay permanent. So yes the childen would be returned to Poland with dad if he wants to.

It's quite simple really and the same reality lots of non UK citizens parents face having children in UK with a Brit. They can't leave UK to settle outside UK unless the childrens' UK parent allows it.