To want to move back to england with my 5 children

How would you support yourself and your 6 children in the UK?

You are going to cost the taxpayer an absolute fortune. Stay where you are please and own the choices you have made in life.

Not silly at all, and not racist either before anyone tries to go down that road.

Where would you draw the line on allowing people permanently resident in other countries who are ‘more comfortable’ receiving free health care at UK tax payers expense to come into the UK specifically for that purpose? genuine question.

I agree that if you do want to come back, you want to plant the seed with MIL that it would be best for all of you to live near her. Would your partner be influenced by her requests?

Yes, and I'd already answered another question by pointing out the risk of getting in trouble for child abduction. But the OP could do without also being pursued for NHS costs she can't afford.

It was, people have literally been asking how she’s eligible for it.

So? That wasn’t the question

But she isn't entitled to NHS care, as she is not normally resident here.

No. At the hospital I’m familiar with in N/E Scotland they just take the UK ‘holiday’ address and turn a blind eye.

The front line staff know the patients are not resident but sending a bill and pursuing it would be…difficult, also not their job. They can’t turn away a woman in need so it continues.

People asking very silly questions about birth. Her children are entitled to British citizenship and it’s much easier to obtain in terms of paperwork of births are registered here. Plus OP said she feels more comfortable birthing with staff in her own language, which is only natural

I don’t understand how she’s able to use the NHS to give birth. Do they not check eligibility?

Another person suggesting she commits a criminal offence and risks three years in prison and losing access to her children.

I’d be tempted to make the arrangements for you all to travel back to the Uk for the birth of your baby. I’d be wanting to come as early as possible to avoid the worry of the baby being born prematurely in Poland. If your partner can’t travel for all of that time then all the better as it would give you some breathing room. Perhaps leverage both the risk of the premature birth and wanting to help out your elderly MIL.

Then once your here seek legal advise on ways of safely leaving him and remaining with the children in the Uk. Perhaps plant the seed early on with your in-laws about how much you miss them (even if not true) and how much benefit it would be for everyone if you were nearer. If need be then refuse to go home after the birth.

but whatever you do do not leave him to come here without his permission. That will get you into a lot of trouble.

Don't just take the kids without getting proper legal advice - it doesn't matter if they are UK citizens or not they are residents of Poland and if your husband complains at you staying then you could ultimately lose custody.

I had a friend in this situation - USA/Sweden - her marriage was breaking up she went home to the USA for her sister's wedding and considered staying with her son. But she talked to a lawyer friend who advised her of the dangers (just as when a man takes their kids to their home country on holiday and refuses to return). In the end it worked out for her and he gave his permission (for a lot of concessions) and the custody orders were approved by the courts in both countries.

But it's a huge risk that your children could be sent back to Poland. There was an infamous case where a mother fled her marriage in South Africa back to her home country in Sweden with her children 2 boys aged 15 and 12 and a girl of 7. The father reported it as parental abduction to the police in South Africa and won. The boys were deemed old enough to have an input and chose to stay with their mother but the 7 year old girl was (forcibly) returned to the father in South Africa.

Come home ♥️

Omg i am so sorry @tryingtogohome . I am polish and i am so shocked and ashamed.

do you get 800 pln benefit for each child?
does he control the finances?
i am assuming you are not married?
do you think he is dangerous?

Poland is much much better country for a family than UK nowadays so I would look into staying at the moment. Breaking up, moving countries (even if you manage to get it done legally) at the same time will be unbelievably hard for you and the kids.

do you have mortgage together or do you rent?

Why would her children thank her for dragging them from their home country, school, father and friends to live on benefits in the uk

If you had evidence of domestic abuse, I very much doubt that your children would be ordered to be returned to Poland.
Youd have to have serious reason to insist children are kept in Poland when the mother (in this case is primary caregiver) and wants to leave due to abuse. I think there would be almost no discussion on it and if you had evidence of his bad behaviour no one would stop you doing anything. Perfectly reasonable.

Get legal advice both in Poland and UK from women’s aid , assemble a plan xox

contact women’s aid @tryingtogohome

wishing you the very very best of luck. Don’t stay with him. You’d be fine on your own and your children would certainly thank you for it by the sounds of it xxxx

Would you be entitled to benefits in Poland?

Get him to agree to move back over here, once settled tell him you want to seperate.
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It happens in Ireland a lot too, due to some sort of shitty EU loophole, they’re entitled to claim child benefit from Ireland while living in Poland after the birth to 18.
The child benefit is high at €140 a month, a hefty bill for the tax payers.
I believe that you have to pay for an epidural in Poland, well it was years ago.

Why is the UK so much better?

OP hasn't mentioned domestic violence, what would she be reporting to police?

I left an abusive marriage in Europe, came back uk with my 2 ds, unfortunately he accused me of child abduction, cost 10k in legal fees to get residency order. We live here happily now.
My advice is get reports , police etc of abuse, thenyoucanclaim legal aid.
Without evidence of.d. v, you'll be liable for legal fees, as I was.
Good luck ! So much better here for the kids.

OP. You could email Women's Aid in the UK and they might have some ideas of where you could get help and legal advice in Poland.

Also.. found this online
Women's Rights Center Foundation (Centrum Praw Kobiet): Operates a 24/7 nationwide hotline at 800 107 777.

It's a starting point at least.

Also. Would your DH relatives in the UK be supportive?

Yes, you are absolutely right. They are dual citizens, I emphasised the Polish side as the authorities are more likely to work harder on their return as they are not just residents with British nationality.

Going back to your problems OP, I think you should play the long game and plan to leave your partner in a way that won’t risk you losing the children. You should work towards leaving the relationship but staying in Poland for the time being.

What is your legal status in Poland? Are you entitled to Polish citizenship?
Having it will make your position stronger when you leave your partner. Try to work towards some financial independence.
There are certain benefits such as 500+ , which you might not be entitled to if you are not a citizen and are not working. Think about getting a job at some stage so work on improving your Polish. There are free childcare options including nurseries.