Did you know about this other attempted beheading?

Because people keep changing their stories on what the anger is about. Or, alternatively everyone is consistent but has their own separate reason for "the anger". And it's ever shifting according to opportunity.
Eg today "the people" are angry that current immigration is bringing in more people to commit violent crime on top of the British people we can't do anything about. Yesterday "the people" were angry at Novak's killer even though he was born in the UK. When the 3 little girls were attacked "The People" were first very angry that the attacker had come over in a boat and it was about illegal immigration. Then when it turned out he was born in Wales "The People" were angry that hisnparents were allowed to come here.
"The People" were angry that the Belfast attack was being underplayed by the media but when it was pointed out that similar crimes received the same or less publicity it turned out the real reason "The People" are angry is because immigration is bringing in more violent people to add to the people we have.

The people were angry at overall migration numbers and how that affects demographics/housing/enployment but when migration numbers went down it turned out not to be overall migration numbers that were .asking people angry but the types of people. Sometimes the wrong type of people includes Eastern European. Sometimes they are the right type of person and the wrong type is Muslims. Etc.

Ok so now your angry at me.
If immigration is why people are angry why were people also angry at the Southport murder? Given he was born here.

The point is there is only an outcry and rioting causing damage, fear and possible threats to life in this latest incident. This is because the climate has been primed for this by people like Nigel Farage nd Tommy Robinson who highlight such unforgivable and shocking attacks such as that by the Sudanese refugee. They are conspicuously quiet as mentioned by another poster when it is a white, far right perpetrator because it does not suit their narrative. Whilst both acts are to be deplored, it is equally deplorable to stir up hate that causes others to fear for their lives. Those are not the values I want for our British society. Show disgust, anger at the perpetrators and compassion for the victims. If action is needed, make it peaceful and productive.

Do you live in an area of high immigration. I do. The landscape of my home town has changed out of all recognition. There is overcrowding. There is poverty. The crime rates have soared, you are not safe if you live anywhere near the migrant housing facilities. I think what you’ve left out of the long list of changing reasons for people’s anger, is probably the real one. That they have concerns about immigration, based on lived experience. They see the things politicians tell them are not happening, actually happening in front of them. They have experience for themselves the contempt with which a lot of migrants hold us and are resentful.

The asylum system is broken and unfit for purpose. That’s what this incident and others before it highlights very clearly - this man was a failed asylum seeker, given leave to remain. Had he not, this incident wouldn’t have happened. And what do we get from government each time this happens - ‘violence isn’t the answer’ and ‘this is the work of far right thugs’. That argument isn’t going to work for much longer. You can’t stand there wringing your hands, blaming the very people the system has let down for its’ failure.

Do you live in an area of high immigration. I do. The landscape of my home town has changed out of all recognition. There is overcrowding. There is poverty. The crime rates have soared, you are not safe if you live anywhere near the migrant housing facilities. I think what you’ve left out of the long list of changing reasons for people’s anger, is probably the real one. That they have concerns about immigration, based on lived experience. They see the things politicians tell them are not happening, actually happening in front of them. They have experience for themselves the contempt with which a lot of migrants hold us and are resentful.

The asylum system is broken and unfit for purpose. That’s what this incident and others before it highlights very clearly - this man was a failed asylum seeker, given leave to remain. Had he not, this incident wouldn’t have happened. And what do we get from government each time this happens - ‘violence isn’t the answer’ and ‘this is the work of far right thugs’. That argument isn’t going to work for much longer. You can’t stand there wringing your hands, blaming the very people the system has let down for its’ failure.

Because people keep changing their stories on what the anger is about. Or, alternatively everyone is consistent but has their own separate reason for "the anger". And it's ever shifting according to opportunity.
Eg today "the people" are angry that current immigration is bringing in more people to commit violent crime on top of the British people we can't do anything about. Yesterday "the people" were angry at Novak's killer even though he was born in the UK. When the 3 little girls were attacked "The People" were first very angry that the attacker had come over in a boat and it was about illegal immigration. Then when it turned out he was born in Wales "The People" were angry that hisnparents were allowed to come here.
"The People" were angry that the Belfast attack was being underplayed by the media but when it was pointed out that similar crimes received the same or less publicity it turned out the real reason "The People" are angry is because immigration is bringing in more violent people to add to the people we have.

The people were angry at overall migration numbers and how that affects demographics/housing/enployment but when migration numbers went down it turned out not to be overall migration numbers that were .asking people angry but the types of people. Sometimes the wrong type of people includes Eastern European. Sometimes they are the right type of person and the wrong type is Muslims. Etc.

Which side? You could be talking about either tbh.

I’m still a bit suspicious that many of the comments on one of those sides are not written by real people. VERY quick to respond, lots of buzzwords, short answers, inflammatory digs at other posters to try and stir things up. Or maybe I am just stupid to believe that real people would be less one dimensional?

Because people keep changing their stories on what the anger is about. Or, alternatively everyone is consistent but has their own separate reason for "the anger". And it's ever shifting according to opportunity.
Eg today "the people" are angry that current immigration is bringing in more people to commit violent crime on top of the British people we can't do anything about. Yesterday "the people" were angry at Novak's killer even though he was born in the UK. When the 3 little girls were attacked "The People" were first very angry that the attacker had come over in a boat and it was about illegal immigration. Then when it turned out he was born in Wales "The People" were angry that hisnparents were allowed to come here.
"The People" were angry that the Belfast attack was being underplayed by the media but when it was pointed out that similar crimes received the same or less publicity it turned out the real reason "The People" are angry is because immigration is bringing in more violent people to add to the people we have.

The people were angry at overall migration numbers and how that affects demographics/housing/enployment but when migration numbers went down it turned out not to be overall migration numbers that were .asking people angry but the types of people. Sometimes the wrong type of people includes Eastern European. Sometimes they are the right type of person and the wrong type is Muslims. Etc.

It's been so interesting to watch Mumsnet these last few days. There really is such a stark polarisation now that both 'sides' really are just talking past each other.
There is no attempt at dialectic anymore. Every time someone attempts to debate in good faith, another thread is started.

Lots of people are misunderstanding what the anger is about. It is not about race, for the most part. It is about the authorities - whether that is the police in the Henry Nowak case, or the justice system in the Nottingham case, or the immigration system in the Belfast case. The British public feel that their own state services not only do not protect them as they should but they immediately jump to blaming the "far right" for causing division, rather than facing up to the failures of state provision - and in this case of a white girl, it is obviously the mental health services that have let her and her family down, not to mention the victim of her attack. Btw, the article only talks about the psychological impacts on the victim, so I assume he didn't have his eyes gauged out like the Belfast victim and was not murdered like the Nottingham victim, or killed like Henry, and neither was the attack filmed on phone cameras, so maybe the lack of attention has nothing to do with race and much more to do with other things. You seem to be the one wanting to make it about race tbh.

The point is there is only an outcry and rioting causing damage, fear and possible threats to life in this latest incident. This is because the climate has been primed for this by people like Nigel Farage nd Tommy Robinson who highlight such unforgivable and shocking attacks such as that by the Sudanese refugee. They are conspicuously quiet as mentioned by another poster when it is a white, far right perpetrator because it does not suit their narrative. Whilst both acts are to be deplored, it is equally deplorable to stir up hate that causes others to fear for their lives. Those are not the values I want for our British society. Show disgust, anger at the perpetrators and compassion for the victims. If action is needed, make it peaceful and productive.

I get what you’re saying. On the other hand, when we are bringing people in who commit savagery then it’s obviously a different and even more serious issue.

That would explain why one type meets the threshold for mass outrage, and the other type does not.

Why haven’t we heard of it though? This is the real two tier system that the far-right try to claim is affecting them.

This girl was radicalised so clearly it’s an act of terrorism but because she is white it is classed as a mental health issue. This is even memed time and time again in social media

Thing is, that stands whether you are talking about a disabled 40 year old white Welsh woman with 4 kids or a disabled black Somalian with 4 kids surely?

i don’t want to see either of them get a property before me, but that’s not the way the housing register works. It’s needs based and if you qualify more highly than me, that’s that.

So you don't think that seeing several people from outside the area/country you have lived all your life being housed before you breeds resentment? OK then.

Yes, I had heard about this dreadful incident. Must have been on the TV or radio because I don't read papers much.

I think the reason people get so annoyed (no excuse for rioting and violence though) is that this girl and her family would appear to have been in the UK for generations (willing to be corrected) so we have no choice as to whether she lives here or not. The man in Northern Ireland had been granted asylum. A safe place to live from whatever he was fleeing from in his home country, and he repays the favour by trying to murder someone. Unfortunately it has happened too many times with rapes, attacks, general criminal activity being carried out by people we have given a safe haven to and people are sick of it. Yes, I know not all immigrants/asylum seekers are criminals. Yes, I know people who have lived here for generations can also be criminals. We just don't need to be importing more.

The whole system needs a thorough overhaul so that we can be sure who we are letting make their lives here. We don't go out without locking our doors because we don't want just anybody to make free with our homes. It should be the same with our country.

Hard experience comes second to know it all theorists.

My guess would be that they were put in a higher banding because their need for housing was greater, nothing to do with race. There are really clear rules and criteria surrounding housing allocations.