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To not believe no dad is better

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NotConvincedd · 07/06/2026 20:54

I often hear people say "no dad is better than a crap dad", and I'm not sure I completely agree.
What strikes me is that a lot of the people who say this then go on to explain that their child has an amazing stepdad who's raised them as his own. But that's not really the same as having no father figure at all, is it?
To be clear, I'm not talking about abusive fathers in those situations, no contact is obviously the better option. I'm thinking more about fathers who are unreliable, inconsistent, or just a bit rubbish.
My thoughts are that for many children, some sort of relationship is better than none. It's often said children who grow up with absent fathers tend to have worse outcomes overall, and most children seem to want a relationship with their parent, even if that parent isn't perfect. Being rejected or feeling unwanted can be incredibly painful and I think a lot of people are dismissive of how hurtful this can be.
AIBU to think that "no dad is better than a crap dad" is often too simplistic?

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Iwanttobeafraser · 09/06/2026 16:08

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 12:51

Yes basically this

Well, i guess at least you know your bar is low and expectations even lower.

Fancythatfancyhat · 09/06/2026 15:56

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 15:50

Yeah but that’s because it’s easier for you as the mum, most mums dont want their ex around

As if it's ever "easier" to be a lone parent 😂 This has to be a reverse at this point. No actually mother carrying this load on her own plus the burden of worrying about the emotional impact the situation is having on them genuinely believes this manosphere / deadbeat dad trope that women choose to deny their children access to a father for their own benefit. Every mother I know on this situation is heartbroken for their kids.rhatbtheir dad is shit, they don't wish their ex wasn't around.

PercyPigsAreOverRated · 09/06/2026 15:51

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 15:50

Yeah but that’s because it’s easier for you as the mum, most mums dont want their ex around

Nothing to do with being easier for me. I would have loved him around, for the children. Not me. Ffs

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 15:50

PercyPigsAreOverRated · 09/06/2026 15:40

Haven't read the whole thread, but will go back and do so.

Personally, I found it much easier when ex stopped bothering altogether, than when he turned up as and when it suited him. It's all very well saying "don't tell them he's meant to be coming" but that doesn't work in the real world. DC knew they went to their Dads on Saturdays. So when he started being flaky they noticed. Plus you can't plan anything (with or without DC) if you don't know until the last minute if you'll have them.

Yes, seeing the pain of them being fully rejected is awful. But the repeated rejection was like death by a thousand cuts.

Yeah but that’s because it’s easier for you as the mum, most mums dont want their ex around

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Tryagain26 · 09/06/2026 15:49

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 10:46

Im not claiming money if he isn’t seeing them, if he wants to buy them stuff when he sees them he can. Some contact is better than nothing is what im saying even if it’s crap, my kids have clearly been affected by his absent so something is better than nothing

Paying maintenance for his children isn't a reward for seeing them. It is fulfilling his responsibility to his children. It's his duty. He shouldn't just swan in and out of their life when he feels like it and take no interest or responsibility for their welfare. Behaving like a great hero paying for tests etc
You haven't said how old your children are but I find it very strange that you as their mother is making countless excuses for their irresponsible father.

PercyPigsAreOverRated · 09/06/2026 15:40

Haven't read the whole thread, but will go back and do so.

Personally, I found it much easier when ex stopped bothering altogether, than when he turned up as and when it suited him. It's all very well saying "don't tell them he's meant to be coming" but that doesn't work in the real world. DC knew they went to their Dads on Saturdays. So when he started being flaky they noticed. Plus you can't plan anything (with or without DC) if you don't know until the last minute if you'll have them.

Yes, seeing the pain of them being fully rejected is awful. But the repeated rejection was like death by a thousand cuts.

Fancythatfancyhat · 09/06/2026 14:58

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 12:51

Yes basically this

See, I can't believe you're genuinely the mother in this situation and say things like this about your own child's welfare. You don't think this man owes your kids to be consistent and responsible? 🫠

Fancythatfancyhat · 09/06/2026 14:53

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 13:31

whats The alternative? Learn that the person who was half responsible for bringing you into the world wants nothing to do with you? What on earth does that teach them? That’s gonna leave someone seriously messed up. Causes all sorts of daddy issues and abandonment issues and issues of feeling not good enough.

I don't get how you're not seeing that's already the case? Except that someone who stayed consistent in staying away could be explained as respecting the child's best interests by staying away rather than this man who wants nothing to do with them for years at a time. If he now makes contact and stops again for 3 years do you not think that will be super damaging? They already know this man isn't interested in maintaining contact nor is he interested in their financial wellbeing, the daddy issues are magnified by someone who comes and goes but you don't wanna hear it.

Jellybunny98 · 09/06/2026 14:37

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 13:31

whats The alternative? Learn that the person who was half responsible for bringing you into the world wants nothing to do with you? What on earth does that teach them? That’s gonna leave someone seriously messed up. Causes all sorts of daddy issues and abandonment issues and issues of feeling not good enough.

The alternative is that your children could grow up with boundaries, learning what love looks like and what it doesn’t, what to accept and what they deserve far far more than.

Their dad fucked off for years, they already will have abandonment issues, and not feeling good enough. That ship has well and truly sailed.

Rainpigeon · 09/06/2026 13:49

onwardandupwards · 07/06/2026 22:22

You've obviously never experienced a excited child sat waiting on the stairs to go out for a icecream, or the zoo or even swimming and her dad decided he'd just rather not, or forgets their birthday, or sods off for months at at a time then decides he feels like being a parent again. The tears, upset and endless letdowns. I'd rather he just never bothered than a ton of broken promises, her holding a fathers day card she made and he never turned up. So yes I'd rather no dad than a crap one. ( he completely changed after her birth) as a teenager she stopped bothering at all.

I would take no dad over a crap dad every time.

TheWineoftheChicken · 09/06/2026 13:32

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 13:31

whats The alternative? Learn that the person who was half responsible for bringing you into the world wants nothing to do with you? What on earth does that teach them? That’s gonna leave someone seriously messed up. Causes all sorts of daddy issues and abandonment issues and issues of feeling not good enough.

So I guess they’re going to have issues either way, because of him.

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 13:31

Jellybunny98 · 09/06/2026 13:28

Do you want to teach your kids to accept this level of shit from their relationships? You’re genuinely happy for them to grow up thinking this is what love looks like, to accept the bare minimum?

whats The alternative? Learn that the person who was half responsible for bringing you into the world wants nothing to do with you? What on earth does that teach them? That’s gonna leave someone seriously messed up. Causes all sorts of daddy issues and abandonment issues and issues of feeling not good enough.

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Jellybunny98 · 09/06/2026 13:28

Do you want to teach your kids to accept this level of shit from their relationships? You’re genuinely happy for them to grow up thinking this is what love looks like, to accept the bare minimum?

TheWineoftheChicken · 09/06/2026 13:11

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 13:07

But they’d have that whether he paid or not.

That’s not the point. If you don’t need the money, put it into savings for them. If he was a good dad and a decent man, he would provide that money.

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 13:07

TheWineoftheChicken · 09/06/2026 12:57

But that’s not really the point, he should be volunteering to support them to have a roof over their heads/food on their table/clothes on their backs. He’s their father, he’s 50% responsible for their welfare.

But they’d have that whether he paid or not.

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TheWineoftheChicken · 09/06/2026 12:57

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 12:49

Yes when he sees them he can spend it on them

But that’s not really the point, he should be volunteering to support them to have a roof over their heads/food on their table/clothes on their backs. He’s their father, he’s 50% responsible for their welfare.

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 12:51

Iwanttobeafraser · 09/06/2026 12:39

It's very obvious that OP does not actually think the dc's father has any actual responsibility. She's quite happy for him to swan in and out. And perhaps her children see hin as just a fun uncle who turns up occassionally. Let's hope.

The bar is so low so often and, too often, it's being held that low by the women who have their children.

Yes basically this

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NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 12:50

iamjustlurking · 09/06/2026 12:36

You have clearly not seen the damage an inconsistent dad does to a child.

My 3 DC are all adults now but 1 of my DC refused to celebrate a birthday for over 10 years after sitting watching and waiting for her dad to turn up as he promised on her 6th birthday.

The disappointment when they make another empty promise and let them down again, each time hurts as much as the 1st time. The constant questioning why aren't I enough to be his priority. All she ever wanted was him to pick her up from school even that was too much apparently.

Their dad is now deceased and although that brings its only heartache and pain at least the rejection every week was over.

I can honestly say no dad is far better than a crap dad

my ex has been inconsistent but no father has been worse

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NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 12:49

TheWineoftheChicken · 09/06/2026 12:33

You shouldn’t have to claim money, a good dad would volunteer it.

Yes when he sees them he can spend it on them

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Iwanttobeafraser · 09/06/2026 12:39

TheWineoftheChicken · 09/06/2026 12:33

You shouldn’t have to claim money, a good dad would volunteer it.

It's very obvious that OP does not actually think the dc's father has any actual responsibility. She's quite happy for him to swan in and out. And perhaps her children see hin as just a fun uncle who turns up occassionally. Let's hope.

The bar is so low so often and, too often, it's being held that low by the women who have their children.

constantlylactating · 09/06/2026 12:37

My dad left when I was 6 and it was probably the only good decision he ever made.

Contact continued for a little while sporadically but as some pp have said, my mum always had to pick up the pieces when he couldn't be bothered to show up.

Once he kept me waiting at the window for hours looking for his car, only for his new side piece to then call the house phone on his behalf to say he wasn't coming, wouldn't in fact be coming any more, because he didn't want me.

Having no dad rather than that sad excuse for a man has made my life infinitely easier and better. It also improved my relationship with my mum.

I do not have a dad. He is still alive, but he's no dad of mine. There's a blank space on my marriage certificate where his name should be.

iamjustlurking · 09/06/2026 12:36

You have clearly not seen the damage an inconsistent dad does to a child.

My 3 DC are all adults now but 1 of my DC refused to celebrate a birthday for over 10 years after sitting watching and waiting for her dad to turn up as he promised on her 6th birthday.

The disappointment when they make another empty promise and let them down again, each time hurts as much as the 1st time. The constant questioning why aren't I enough to be his priority. All she ever wanted was him to pick her up from school even that was too much apparently.

Their dad is now deceased and although that brings its only heartache and pain at least the rejection every week was over.

I can honestly say no dad is far better than a crap dad

TheWineoftheChicken · 09/06/2026 12:33

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 10:46

Im not claiming money if he isn’t seeing them, if he wants to buy them stuff when he sees them he can. Some contact is better than nothing is what im saying even if it’s crap, my kids have clearly been affected by his absent so something is better than nothing

You shouldn’t have to claim money, a good dad would volunteer it.

Lavender14 · 09/06/2026 12:31

NotConvincedd · 08/06/2026 21:46

Actually when a lot of women find out my kids father isnt involved i get “wow you’re so lucky” “wish my kids dad wasnt involved” then when you think oh was he abusive you get told no I just hate having to share them! I just want them to myself! I think wow it’s clear there are women out there that just don’t want their ex around.

and how I prove consistency that will be starting with phone calls and emails to begin with, at set times a week.

But op saying that is very different than meaning it. Obviously those women find it hard being apart from their kids but recognise that the dad needs to have a role. I think most parents would find only having access to their children half the week really upsetting- that's natural and normal. Obviously there are other significant challenges to being a lone parent but flippant comments like that really mean nothing unless they're acting on it. Which from your description- they aren't. Sometimes as a lone parent I think God if i had shared custody I could go out and take up a hobby and have time for myself in a week, but then I think I'd really miss ds and therein lies the rub. Neither option is easy and it's a case of grass being greener..I envy my sisters ability to have nights out with her friends, she envies that I never have to miss my son because he's always with me. Unless someone is actively using that as an excuse and refusing to allow any contact that's a meaningless comment.

I'd also seriously question why you or your ex think it's remotely acceptable that he's brought children into this world and doesn't feel the need to contribute financially to their provision and be accountable and responsible in that way. Whether or not you can make ends meet alone is neither here nor there. Any decent man would be insisting on paying towards his children or at the very least have a savings account for them building with the cms you've refused to take. I'd judge any man doing that far harsher than a woman who doesn't want to be seperated from her kids.

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 12:21

PeanutsForever · 09/06/2026 12:04

You sound a LOT like my SIL. When he was around he was erratic and unreliable. He routinely used the DC in his attempts to punish her etc etc. He'd disappear for days/weeks, then reappear. He'd tell the DC how sad he was, how mean mumme was y was etc etc. Then he disappeared for 3 months. Completely. When he reappeared, she let him back in. Of course.

Then he disappeared completely for 6 months. No where to be seen. Not a christmas message or call. Very very occassionally he would respond to a text message the DC sent him... .but usually to tell them off.

Then he reappeared. She decided that of course, it was better if the DC saw him and spent time with him. He was "sorry" etc etc.

Cue 6 more months of him causing arguments - with her, with MIL, with the school, with school parents. It was endless. Lots of arguments with the DC. Lots of whining because when he saw them he'd be unpleasant then he'd complain because they didn't want to see him.

Currently, they're in a relatively "stable" period. But we're all waiting for the other shoe to drop. SIL is oblivius. The creep has already started so we know it will happen soon - eg, he's back to being CONSTANTLY in her space (she had all these boundaries abou thim not spending time in her house. Then not spending time in her house when she is there. Now he's just there all the time) and the summer holidays are coming up so that's going to be a source of friction.

But sure, it's better if he's in their life. Absolutely. So much better. Pity the DC's behaviour doesn't seem to reflect that. Htye become more and more unpleasant to be around, combined with an increasing level of anxiety, by the day.

Tbf to him he is absolutely nothing like that

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