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To not believe no dad is better

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NotConvincedd · 07/06/2026 20:54

I often hear people say "no dad is better than a crap dad", and I'm not sure I completely agree.
What strikes me is that a lot of the people who say this then go on to explain that their child has an amazing stepdad who's raised them as his own. But that's not really the same as having no father figure at all, is it?
To be clear, I'm not talking about abusive fathers in those situations, no contact is obviously the better option. I'm thinking more about fathers who are unreliable, inconsistent, or just a bit rubbish.
My thoughts are that for many children, some sort of relationship is better than none. It's often said children who grow up with absent fathers tend to have worse outcomes overall, and most children seem to want a relationship with their parent, even if that parent isn't perfect. Being rejected or feeling unwanted can be incredibly painful and I think a lot of people are dismissive of how hurtful this can be.
AIBU to think that "no dad is better than a crap dad" is often too simplistic?

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NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 21:18

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Wanting a father for my kids makes me a bad mum ok 👍

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NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 21:18

PercyPigsAreOverRated · 09/06/2026 20:59

Yes its "allowed" but my ex then told anyone who would listen that I wasn't letting him see them. Including them. So if i made plans I got abuse and upset DC when they saw him again and he told them he wanted to see them but I hadn't let them. Lucky you if your ex never does/ did this.

No he didn’t, see thats the difference my ex is not a bad man

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PercyPigsAreOverRated · 09/06/2026 20:59

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 18:33

Because I would tell him we had plans that day and he can rearrange if he wants 🤷‍♀️ it’s allowed if no court order

Yes its "allowed" but my ex then told anyone who would listen that I wasn't letting him see them. Including them. So if i made plans I got abuse and upset DC when they saw him again and he told them he wanted to see them but I hadn't let them. Lucky you if your ex never does/ did this.

TheWineoftheChicken · 09/06/2026 20:53

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 20:34

Well I was hoping someone would actually say something convincing enough to change my mind but no

No you weren’t. You were hoping everyone would agree with you so you could justify your decision to yourself.

Jellybunny98 · 09/06/2026 20:51

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 20:34

Well I was hoping someone would actually say something convincing enough to change my mind but no

The fact you’re raising children to accept the bare minimum, which will lead them to engage in unhealthy relationships themselves throughout their lives, isn’t enough?

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 20:34

Well I was hoping someone would actually say something convincing enough to change my mind but no

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TheWineoftheChicken · 09/06/2026 18:37

I’m wondering why you came to AIBU? It’s clear you are sure that you’re not.

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 18:33

PercyPigsAreOverRated · 09/06/2026 16:53

How do you make plans though? Ex was meant to have DC every Saturday, pick up at 10am. So i couldnt book anything for a Saturday. If I did he would claim i was stopping him seeing them. He refused to take them to clubs/parties. Then if he didnt turn up it was too late to do whatever I had wanted to plan.

Because I would tell him we had plans that day and he can rearrange if he wants 🤷‍♀️ it’s allowed if no court order

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NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 18:32

It’s ok quite a
lot of the votes agree with me, more than the comments so there is clearly people that do agree

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TheWineoftheChicken · 09/06/2026 17:04

Pistachiocake · 09/06/2026 17:01

Not read all the posts so apologies if it's been said, but a lot of people will have voted you unreasonable because of the title, thinking you're saying you believe no dad is better than a bad one.
Yes, people should know their dads, for medical reasons, and because girls who have a good relationship with their dad are more likely to have positive relationships themselves, and boys are less likely to be violent.
Obviously, as you say, if you have a violent man who has left his kids black and blue, he shouldn't be living with them, but they have the right to know who he is.
There have been too many cases of people finding they are related to their date (because of not knowing their dad) for comfort. This has had serious consequences for people.

I think the title is clear that she is saying she doesn’t believe that no dad is better. It literally says ‘to not believe no dad is better’.

Themanwiththebigbeak · 09/06/2026 17:03

I get where you are coming from, but it is so complicated. For example my DP ex would call him a crap dad even though he is an excellent dad. I'm sure some people say things like 'no dad, is better than a crap dad' because they struggle to separate their relationship with that person over the relationship that person has with their children.

Obviously some dads are just shit dads. If you are a really shit dad, that is causing emotional damage, I'd say it's better not to have them around. Whether people who have experienced this feel differently I can't say.

Pistachiocake · 09/06/2026 17:01

Not read all the posts so apologies if it's been said, but a lot of people will have voted you unreasonable because of the title, thinking you're saying you believe no dad is better than a bad one.
Yes, people should know their dads, for medical reasons, and because girls who have a good relationship with their dad are more likely to have positive relationships themselves, and boys are less likely to be violent.
Obviously, as you say, if you have a violent man who has left his kids black and blue, he shouldn't be living with them, but they have the right to know who he is.
There have been too many cases of people finding they are related to their date (because of not knowing their dad) for comfort. This has had serious consequences for people.

MsSquiz · 09/06/2026 17:00

My parents split when I was 6m and divorced when I was 2 years old.
DM never prevented him from seeing me, he just wasn’t interested.
he conveniently went “on the sick” from work so he wasn’t forced to pay CMS so she received nothing from him toward my upbringing, at all!
he chose to only visit me 3 times a year - my birthday, Christmas and Easter with £20 and a card. Every year until I was about 15.
he never wanted to spend time with me, when he visited he would spend about 5 mins trying to talk to me, I would go off and play with my toys and he’d choose to try to talk to my DM, even with her reminding him that he was there to see me and not her…

She didn’t have a partner I was aware of until I was 17, so no “amazing stepfather” to raise me as his own. It was all on my DM (and her parents who babysat me)

I had no “father figure” and probably would’ve been better off not having a relationship with my dad that was based around 3 visits a year when he never lived more than 45 mins drive from us and always knew where I lived.

The thought of not being good enough for my dad to want to spend actual time with me was harder to understand than if he just hadn’t bothered at all.

we lost touch around my late teens when I rang him to borrow £10 and he said “you only call when you want something” and I replied with “at least I call you”
we had zero contact until he had an accident and someone gave me his number. He called from his hospital bed to tell me of his injuries and that he would call me back the next day… it never happened.

I was 30 when my DM died and he didn’t come to the funeral (despite having attended my DGM’s funeral 6 years previous) and he died 2 years ago. I have since found out he told people he had been told he wouldn’t be welcome at DM’s funeral - odd since I had no way of contacting him and I’m an only child!

so in my case, no dad would’ve been a lot better than a crap dad.

TheWineoftheChicken · 09/06/2026 17:00

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 16:36

Not at all, I don’t like or agree with dead beat dads I just think some mums are very against dads and dismiss how important they are to children.

Your ex partner is the very definition of a deadbeat dad though. Inconsistent contact followed by 3 years of no contact at all, not contributing financially towards the costs of raising his children… what is he, if not a deadbeat dad?

PercyPigsAreOverRated · 09/06/2026 16:53

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 16:46

I’d still do all that stuff though, he can work around us especially if someone is inconsistent why cancel plans for them

How do you make plans though? Ex was meant to have DC every Saturday, pick up at 10am. So i couldnt book anything for a Saturday. If I did he would claim i was stopping him seeing them. He refused to take them to clubs/parties. Then if he didnt turn up it was too late to do whatever I had wanted to plan.

Jellybunny98 · 09/06/2026 16:52

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 16:36

Not at all, I don’t like or agree with dead beat dads I just think some mums are very against dads and dismiss how important they are to children.

But your kids dad is a dead beat dad and you’re still here trying to convince people how good he is for your poor kids😂

Fancythatfancyhat · 09/06/2026 16:48

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 16:37

Im only speaking about the mums I have openly seen saying they wish their kids dad wasnt around as it would be “easier” even ones that say they are good dads but they don’t like having to “share” their child, well use a donor then!

That's a straw man nothing to do with your situation though so why are you extrapolating that to lone mums with no support that they prefer it that way and are anti dad?

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 16:46

PercyPigsAreOverRated · 09/06/2026 16:45

It was "easier" when ex wasn't stopping because I could make plans that i knew wouldn't be cancelled last minute. I could book holidays/clubs/days out/accept party invites without worrying that he would decide he did want to see them that week/claiming I blocked contact if I told him they were busy
It was easier because my DC weren't crying every week wondering why Daddy didn't turn up again.

The day to say grind, only decision maker, only person earning money, unable to have a bath/poo unaccompanied was brutal.

HTH

I’d still do all that stuff though, he can work around us especially if someone is inconsistent why cancel plans for them

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PercyPigsAreOverRated · 09/06/2026 16:45

It was "easier" when ex wasn't stopping because I could make plans that i knew wouldn't be cancelled last minute. I could book holidays/clubs/days out/accept party invites without worrying that he would decide he did want to see them that week/claiming I blocked contact if I told him they were busy
It was easier because my DC weren't crying every week wondering why Daddy didn't turn up again.

The day to say grind, only decision maker, only person earning money, unable to have a bath/poo unaccompanied was brutal.

HTH

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 16:37

Fancythatfancyhat · 09/06/2026 16:35

No they don't tbh they may say as PP did it's easier then the in and out and constant messing the kids about but it's never easy to see your kids suffer and have a shit farm and it's never easy to raise kids alone.

Is there a reason why you think all mums are X and you're not somehow?

Im only speaking about the mums I have openly seen saying they wish their kids dad wasnt around as it would be “easier” even ones that say they are good dads but they don’t like having to “share” their child, well use a donor then!

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NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 16:36

corlan · 09/06/2026 16:22

What a load of misogynistic bull.You sound like a mens rights activist.

Not at all, I don’t like or agree with dead beat dads I just think some mums are very against dads and dismiss how important they are to children.

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Fancythatfancyhat · 09/06/2026 16:35

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 16:32

Actually I think you will find lots of mums say it’s easier when their ex isnt around, yes easier for you but not for the kids.

No they don't tbh they may say as PP did it's easier then the in and out and constant messing the kids about but it's never easy to see your kids suffer and have a shit farm and it's never easy to raise kids alone.

Is there a reason why you think all mums are X and you're not somehow?

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 16:32

Fancythatfancyhat · 09/06/2026 15:56

As if it's ever "easier" to be a lone parent 😂 This has to be a reverse at this point. No actually mother carrying this load on her own plus the burden of worrying about the emotional impact the situation is having on them genuinely believes this manosphere / deadbeat dad trope that women choose to deny their children access to a father for their own benefit. Every mother I know on this situation is heartbroken for their kids.rhatbtheir dad is shit, they don't wish their ex wasn't around.

Actually I think you will find lots of mums say it’s easier when their ex isnt around, yes easier for you but not for the kids.

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corlan · 09/06/2026 16:22

NotConvincedd · 09/06/2026 15:50

Yeah but that’s because it’s easier for you as the mum, most mums dont want their ex around

What a load of misogynistic bull.You sound like a mens rights activist.