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To not believe no dad is better

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NotConvincedd · 07/06/2026 20:54

I often hear people say "no dad is better than a crap dad", and I'm not sure I completely agree.
What strikes me is that a lot of the people who say this then go on to explain that their child has an amazing stepdad who's raised them as his own. But that's not really the same as having no father figure at all, is it?
To be clear, I'm not talking about abusive fathers in those situations, no contact is obviously the better option. I'm thinking more about fathers who are unreliable, inconsistent, or just a bit rubbish.
My thoughts are that for many children, some sort of relationship is better than none. It's often said children who grow up with absent fathers tend to have worse outcomes overall, and most children seem to want a relationship with their parent, even if that parent isn't perfect. Being rejected or feeling unwanted can be incredibly painful and I think a lot of people are dismissive of how hurtful this can be.
AIBU to think that "no dad is better than a crap dad" is often too simplistic?

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Stressedoutmummyof3 · 10/06/2026 22:44

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 12:51

And that’s why? Because he is the only father they will ever have and they won’t get a new one.

Men like that don't deserve to be fathers. If a man doesn't deserve to be a father then he shouldn't expect any acceptance from their children. I don't understand why you think it's better for children to be constantly let down than for their deadbeat dad to just disappear. Crap dad's fuck children up more than absent ones IME which I admit is limited.

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 19:49

Not toxic at all and this was not my post it was a post on mumsnet as I said, however most friends don’t really care about their friends kids i will say that, doesnt mean they are horrible to them or mean but it’s not the same as a blood relative.

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SusieMyersonAndAssociates · 10/06/2026 19:41

Well I think it’s very telling that you don’t seem to have meaningful enough relationships with your friends for them to have meaningful relationships with your kids. It all sounds very toxic.

It is also absolutely possible to care deeply about a friends child but also want time with your friend without the child. That is what a healthy relationship is.

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 19:00

It was eye opening to me how many people dislike being round their friends kids so if you have friends that genuinely like being around your kids and care about them you are lucky

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Girliefriendlikespuppies · 10/06/2026 18:56

I agree and my dd has never met her dad!

In an ideal world some contact is better than no contact. That said my dd is a happy 20 yo and doing all the things 20 yos should be doing so 🤷‍♀️

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 18:49

SusieMyersonAndAssociates · 10/06/2026 18:36

You obviously didn’t read my post. You don’t have to be blood related to be loved like family. As a parent it’s your responsibility to foster healthy and loving relationships between your children and anybody that chooses to be on their lives. Doesn’t matter if it’s Joan from down the road.

And friends dont care about your kids the same way family do thats very evident from mumsnet; just the other day there was a thread on here about a poster inviting her friend for coffee and her friend asking to bring her son and all the posters said cancel and rearrange because no one wants to spend time around their friends kids! You have been lucky if your friends genuinely care about your kids! As the vast majority of posters said they don’t want to be around friends kids

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SusieMyersonAndAssociates · 10/06/2026 18:36

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 15:38

Well then you are lucky because I have no family meaning they don’t either

You obviously didn’t read my post. You don’t have to be blood related to be loved like family. As a parent it’s your responsibility to foster healthy and loving relationships between your children and anybody that chooses to be on their lives. Doesn’t matter if it’s Joan from down the road.

TheWineoftheChicken · 10/06/2026 15:53

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 15:38

Wouldnt change the outcome

That’s not what I asked?

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 15:38

TheWineoftheChicken · 10/06/2026 14:16

Did you know he was an unreliable, irresponsible twat before you had kids with him, or did his behaviour change after the event(s)?

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Wouldnt change the outcome

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NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 15:38

Well then you are lucky because I have no family meaning they don’t either

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SusieMyersonAndAssociates · 10/06/2026 15:28

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 12:51

And that’s why? Because he is the only father they will ever have and they won’t get a new one.

Oh OP that’s an absolute crock.

Relationships don’t follow blood lines. My kids have no biological grandparents but they have a great many people in their lives that love them just as much. Any sane person would choose that for their children over toxic and confusing forced relationships.

Frankly, forcing a relationship on your children that is damaging, makes you culpable and a bad parent too.

Themanwiththebigbeak · 10/06/2026 15:02

Pinkissmart · 10/06/2026 01:23

I don’t know any single mum who didn’t work really hard to facilitate a relationship between children and their dad. Unless there is abuse.
I think you’re speaking to the wrong crowd here

Really? I know of someone who actively tried to alienate her children from their dad and it backfired on her.

TheWineoftheChicken · 10/06/2026 14:16

Did you know he was an unreliable, irresponsible twat before you had kids with him, or did his behaviour change after the event(s)?

TheWineoftheChicken · 10/06/2026 14:15

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 13:57

No he would not take them and has said he wouldn’t as we discussed it in the past.

He’s no dad then. He’s just a stranger who flits in and out of their lives.

Fancythatfancyhat · 10/06/2026 14:09

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 13:57

No he would not take them and has said he wouldn’t as we discussed it in the past.

So on what way is he wanting to be a parent exactly that is giving these kids a dad? I don't get it. If he wants to be like a fun u cle as you said who seems them a couple of times a year and has no responsibility for them whatsoever - how is that them having some kind of dad rather than none? It's not anything like having a father...

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 13:57

No he would not take them and has said he wouldn’t as we discussed it in the past.

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Fancythatfancyhat · 10/06/2026 13:53

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 12:51

And that’s why? Because he is the only father they will ever have and they won’t get a new one.

They don't have a father though as harsh as that sounds. This man sounds at most a sperm donor. If something had happened to you in the 3 years he was gone would he have taken on their care? Could he take it on tomorrow if you got hit by a car? He doesn't even have beds for them and has never financially provided. He can go years at the most without seeing them. Even weeks for a real parent is unfathomable. Being blood related does not make someone a father on my opinion.

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 13:46

Mingou · 10/06/2026 13:35

You explain exactly that: your dad is alive and has chosen not to be in contact with you. Kids deserve the truth.

They already knew that, well not as harsh as that, but my son said when he was a kid he thought his dad had died, he obviously didn’t want to believe he just chose not to see him. Thats what I mean. He thought there must be some other explanation, he didn’t tell me this till years later but he use to say the kids at school asked why he didn’t have a dad.

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Mingou · 10/06/2026 13:35

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 12:30

Do you? My son said to me once he thought his dad was dead when he was younger, he couldn’t understand why else his father wouldnt want to see him. I never said he was dead, never once, but kids make up things in their own mind to explain the absence. How do you explain to a kid someone just doesn’t want to see you?

You explain exactly that: your dad is alive and has chosen not to be in contact with you. Kids deserve the truth.

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 12:51

SusieMyersonAndAssociates · 10/06/2026 12:37

And why should they accept them for who they are? They didn’t ask to be born to that person.

And that’s why? Because he is the only father they will ever have and they won’t get a new one.

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TheWineoftheChicken · 10/06/2026 12:45

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 12:31

I mean not a bad man like the other posters ex who would deliberately tell the kids he was coming to see them then not show up, my ex didnt make any promises because he knew he wouldn’t stick to them, if he said he was coming down he wouldn’t say when.

There are many things you can do to be considered a ‘bad man’. Abandoning them for 3 years is one. Refusing to pay for their upkeep is another. Being unreliable and flitting in and out of their lives is another.

Shittyyear2025 · 10/06/2026 12:43

I'm old, one of the only kids in my class at secondary school with divorced parents to start with. I remember a particularly horrible god-squaddy type assembly about this and how we should savour the relationships we have with living relatives. I walked out, sobbing, at 11 years old as the life-long trauma of having a half-present parent was breaking me.

Unfortunately the same has happened to my kids, their dad stopped seeing them regularly when they were around 9 and 6, and they've had so much counselling to try and deal with the 'im not worthy and my dad doesn't love me' issues that I faced at their age.

Bereavement is awful. I cannot deny that. And the constant feeling of a much-loved parent missing from every aspect of your life due to their death is unimaginable. Their is no comparison of the depth of grief. But their death is a one-off event, that must be grieved and processed, somehow, alongside that feeling of missing your life. My kids (and I, when younger) have those feelings every single time he lets them down. Their behaviour escalates, they use me to unload their anger/grief/anxiety, until the next time he promises a meet up - they get their hopes up only to be dashed again and again. I truly believe that if their dad just simply fucked off my kids would be so much better off emotionally.

SusieMyersonAndAssociates · 10/06/2026 12:37

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 12:35

Well I would be deluded if I said he was great, hes a crap dad and im not denying that, I just think it’s better than being absent. If kids accept them for who they are.

And why should they accept them for who they are? They didn’t ask to be born to that person.

SusieMyersonAndAssociates · 10/06/2026 12:36

Define “crap”.
My biological father would look “crap” on paper but crap is enough to do untold damage.

I cut him off years ago and it’s one of the best decisions I’ve ever made.

NotConvincedd · 10/06/2026 12:35

Well I would be deluded if I said he was great, hes a crap dad and im not denying that, I just think it’s better than being absent. If kids accept them for who they are.

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