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Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 09:30

Hi, posting here for traffic!
Writing a grievance, ACAS has advised it but won’t read it prior to sending.
Can’t go to citizens advice as it is linked to my work…
is there a legitimate organisation who will read my grievance prior to sending?
it is long and covers so many issues in multiple areas, primarily disability discrimination, bullying and poor, possibly illegal practices but I am conscious I am coming from a place of high stress and emotion as well as sick with pain and don’t want to write a sprawling document that might be overkill and not taken seriously.
I’m neurodivergent and have been told I give too much info and find it really hard to pare down whilst maintaining the importance of the grievance.

thank you

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Boreded · 07/06/2026 14:35

Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 14:21

Thank you. I’m actually a good writer usually and it’s been a huge part of my job for decades but I’m injured including my dominant hand, I’m on strong opiates and I have huge anxiety and depression from this on top of my existing conditions so I just don’t know how or where to start without exploding all my guts and early hours ruminations onto paper, I’m typing with my wrong hand mainly using one finger and speaking into the phone microphone, it’s a slog

Yeah I see no issue at all with utilising AI as an effective support tool. You’ve done the work by getting down in bulk, now just get AI to help you create a short introduction that says what your grievance is, correct it as you go so that it says what you want it to say, and take it from there.

Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 14:26

Tinglylips · 07/06/2026 14:22

Sorry if answered but how long have you been at current job?

Just under a year. Part of the reason I stayed so long . Apart from hoping they’d come good 🙈 was because I don’t want such a short lived job on my cv

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Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 14:25

Tinglylips · 07/06/2026 14:23

Do you have real life support? A partner?

No 😭
I have an enabler for help with household chores once a week but any kind of admin is not their forte, they have been incredibly patient listening to me rant and offload but I feel guilty as it’s not their job to deal with my wok grievances .

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Tinglylips · 07/06/2026 14:23

Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 14:21

Thank you. I’m actually a good writer usually and it’s been a huge part of my job for decades but I’m injured including my dominant hand, I’m on strong opiates and I have huge anxiety and depression from this on top of my existing conditions so I just don’t know how or where to start without exploding all my guts and early hours ruminations onto paper, I’m typing with my wrong hand mainly using one finger and speaking into the phone microphone, it’s a slog

Do you have real life support? A partner?

Tinglylips · 07/06/2026 14:22

Sorry if answered but how long have you been at current job?

Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 14:21

Boreded · 07/06/2026 14:09

Yeah but that’s not what I did. I advised to use the information she has, but to add a bullet pointed lost at the front provided by ai.

anyone who is stupid enough to add an ai sheet to the beginning of their document without ensuring the summary is accurate and reflects what they want to say probably isn’t even capable enough of writing one of their own so no harm no foul.

I use ai constantly in my role in banking, it is a complementary tool, not a replacement for critical thinking. I feed it documents, and then ask it to answer questions, I then converse with it to achieve the right results by adding context to what it is saying, giving it additional data points and things to consider. Anyone just sending a first draft isn’t using it properly, I suspect that this is your experience with your colleagues, it is with a lot of mine too. What you cannot deny though is that when used properly AI can improve the quality of your work, and allow you to focus on improving and amending the output detail while it does the bulkier block writing that forms the base.

Thank you. I’m actually a good writer usually and it’s been a huge part of my job for decades but I’m injured including my dominant hand, I’m on strong opiates and I have huge anxiety and depression from this on top of my existing conditions so I just don’t know how or where to start without exploding all my guts and early hours ruminations onto paper, I’m typing with my wrong hand mainly using one finger and speaking into the phone microphone, it’s a slog

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Tinglylips · 07/06/2026 14:18

Apologies

Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 14:17

Tinglylips · 07/06/2026 14:13

so far they have cancelled the appointment the night before and then emailed me with a new date and to refer to the teams link but no actual Teams link,

did you start a thread about this!

no! There is more than one person posting threads on this subject, I lose count of how many people have asked me the same question in this thread. Please see post from @KimMumsnet higher up thread

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Tinglylips · 07/06/2026 14:13

so far they have cancelled the appointment the night before and then emailed me with a new date and to refer to the teams link but no actual Teams link,

did you start a thread about this!

RestlessSnail · 07/06/2026 14:12

Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 10:55

I’m thinking potentially constructive dismissal, especially as the lack of adaptation has further harmed me physically and mentally and is making it especially hard to find further work at the moment until i hopefully recover.
I honestly don’t know if that’s the route I want to go down.
it’s unfair that disabled people are frequently pushed out like this but have to worry about ‘marking their card’, surely those bosses should be worried about their reputation as people who willfully contravene the equality act knowing / hoping that vulnerable workers are too scared to speak up?

I think you might be better off with disability discrimination/failure to make reasonable adjustments.

I'm not legally qualified, so do check this, but as far as I understand constructive dismissal is hard to prove, and a claim can only be brought after you've left.

With reasonable adjustments (not sure about disability discrimination), the onus is more on the employer to demonstrate thay they made these adjustments/it was not reasonable for them to do so.

Boreded · 07/06/2026 14:09

ItTook9Years · 07/06/2026 12:32

I have given AI tools multiple opportunities and not once has it delivered. There are documented impacts on critical skills humans need to have even from the lightest use. It amazes me that humans are so prepared to outsource their thinking to a hyped up text prediction tool. It hallucinates, cannot understand nuance and generally does a shit job whilst eroding actual human intelligence. I am willing to be open minded but when colleagues start sending me AI polished versions of stuff I have written and it contains none of the important stuff but adds things that were never there, I’ll continue preferring actual intelligences over climate destroying AI slop machines.

And yes, a promptitute is someone that pushes AI constantly. It’s even worse when you do it to advise in areas you have no knowledge of yourself.

Yeah but that’s not what I did. I advised to use the information she has, but to add a bullet pointed lost at the front provided by ai.

anyone who is stupid enough to add an ai sheet to the beginning of their document without ensuring the summary is accurate and reflects what they want to say probably isn’t even capable enough of writing one of their own so no harm no foul.

I use ai constantly in my role in banking, it is a complementary tool, not a replacement for critical thinking. I feed it documents, and then ask it to answer questions, I then converse with it to achieve the right results by adding context to what it is saying, giving it additional data points and things to consider. Anyone just sending a first draft isn’t using it properly, I suspect that this is your experience with your colleagues, it is with a lot of mine too. What you cannot deny though is that when used properly AI can improve the quality of your work, and allow you to focus on improving and amending the output detail while it does the bulkier block writing that forms the base.

Isittimeformynapyet · 07/06/2026 13:45

StrictlyCoffee · 07/06/2026 10:10

Grievances are generally a total waste of time. It’s probably not going to be upheld. What will you do then?

My grievance was upheld. It called one of the "top" governors to account and he resigned as soon as I submitted it.

Similar to @Holidaymodeon it was a big fish/small pond scenario. I was too terrified to shop locally for months (nervous for a few years actually, until recently when I stopped ducking behing displays and looked at him full in the face with a steady gaze 😐✊🏻).

Fortunately, the idiot had recorded himself bullying me.

I got a modest settlement which covered the savings I'd had to use during the process.

Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 13:34

RestlessSnail · 07/06/2026 13:32

There is the disability law service, though not sure if they would do this
https://dls.org.uk/

If not, you may find somewhere local to you who will here https://advicelocal.uk/disability-social-care

And general advice in case helpful here
https://www.advicenow.org.uk/get-help/employment

This is the kind of thing I came for! Thank you 🤩 some really lovely people on here 😍😍😍

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Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 13:33

NNforthispost · 07/06/2026 11:56

Are you maybe looking more for a settlement agreement for them to let you go? Are you looking to discuss this with your employer an a ‘without prejudice’ basis? I’m in a different area of law. If you can afford it I’d definitely recommend legal advice. I know three different employment lawyers at different firms, who are all extremely good. I don’t know what their fees would be but perhaps someone could give you initial advice for a modest cost (this is still likely to be 2-3 hours work so maybe in the region of 750 plus vat and I don’t know if that’s something you could afford given you’re about to go on ssp). I work with a disability and some employers are awful. Occ Health can also be very much ill informed and the nurse I spoke to their knew nothing of my condition and just assumed points which were about 30 years out of date and only backed down when I asked for full credential to pass to my consultant as her advice differed to his.

I hope you can get this sorted.

Thank you, if you’re happy to recommend solicitors I will consider it. My boss found the occ health team on Google stating ‘they have good reviews and are local’.
so far they have cancelled the appointment the night before and then emailed me with a new date and to refer to the teams link but no actual Teams link, they arrange all the appointments with my boss who then harangues me daily to ‘check your spam folder’ .
the umbrella (national) company has their own hr and occ health etc. it for whatever reason I am not allowed to use it

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RestlessSnail · 07/06/2026 13:32

There is the disability law service, though not sure if they would do this
https://dls.org.uk/

If not, you may find somewhere local to you who will here https://advicelocal.uk/disability-social-care

And general advice in case helpful here
https://www.advicenow.org.uk/get-help/employment

Employment

Help to understand if you are being treated fairly at work and to sort it out if you are not

https://www.advicenow.org.uk/get-help/employment

Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 13:28

ThreadGuardDog · 07/06/2026 12:08

OP I’ve been a disability outreach worker for twenty years and have experience with disability based complaints against employers, including the drafting and contextualising of issues. I can understand that you don’t want to go into detail on a public forum, so if you want to PM me with a brief outline of the problem I may be able to help you to prioritise the issues, put them into context and keep things as brief and to the point as possible.

ETA - if you have the resources, putting your grievances in front of a solicitor specialised in employment law would help.

Edited

Thank you, I will if that’s ok, might not be today thou?
I really appreciate the offers on here and don’t want to burden anyone x

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Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 13:27

ColdAsAWitches · 07/06/2026 12:11

You've said a couple of times that they are continuously breaking the law. Is there a whistleblowers route you could take?

I’m not sure, it’s a complex set up, similar to a franchise , the people I’d whistle blow to are the same people currently ignoring my needs, I could take it far higher to an ombudsman type thing but not sure they’d read it if I haven’t followed all due process first

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Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 13:26

ItTook9Years · 07/06/2026 12:32

I have given AI tools multiple opportunities and not once has it delivered. There are documented impacts on critical skills humans need to have even from the lightest use. It amazes me that humans are so prepared to outsource their thinking to a hyped up text prediction tool. It hallucinates, cannot understand nuance and generally does a shit job whilst eroding actual human intelligence. I am willing to be open minded but when colleagues start sending me AI polished versions of stuff I have written and it contains none of the important stuff but adds things that were never there, I’ll continue preferring actual intelligences over climate destroying AI slop machines.

And yes, a promptitute is someone that pushes AI constantly. It’s even worse when you do it to advise in areas you have no knowledge of yourself.

Funny. My boss is very proud of the way he ‘just bunged it into ai, do you want to know what it said?’

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Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 13:24

Totaldramallama · 07/06/2026 10:48

If you don't want any particular outcome then why raise the grievance? If you hate the job so much leave. If it is about genuine disability discrimination and you think you have some kind of claim then focus your grievance entirely on that. Grievances moaning about not getting on with particular characters or unpleasant bosses can only go so far and the only real outcome could be to move you somewhere else within the business. They can't sack your boss because you've raised a grievance saying they're not nice.

When you have a disability which is exacerbated by poor practice in your workplace it isn’t as simple as just leave and get another job.
i am limited in what I can do anyway and this has forced further limitations, currently I am unable to apply for many jobs id have easily got before this

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ItTook9Years · 07/06/2026 12:32

Boreded · 07/06/2026 12:13

What is a promptitute and why does it feel like an insult.

I am presuming it is in reference to saying use chat GPT but given the person needed advice and I am not able to give it, the one quick solution is to put in all of the grievance into a document and submit this, but utilise AI to give a short summary because it is useful.

im going to guess you don’t work for a large company with a really good AI model, if you did you would realise that you can utilise it to do a lot of the leg work for you, and edit context and tweak responses and tone to ensure the output is what is needed. Did you hate Google 20 years ago too?

I have given AI tools multiple opportunities and not once has it delivered. There are documented impacts on critical skills humans need to have even from the lightest use. It amazes me that humans are so prepared to outsource their thinking to a hyped up text prediction tool. It hallucinates, cannot understand nuance and generally does a shit job whilst eroding actual human intelligence. I am willing to be open minded but when colleagues start sending me AI polished versions of stuff I have written and it contains none of the important stuff but adds things that were never there, I’ll continue preferring actual intelligences over climate destroying AI slop machines.

And yes, a promptitute is someone that pushes AI constantly. It’s even worse when you do it to advise in areas you have no knowledge of yourself.

ThreadGuardDog · 07/06/2026 12:13

ToadRage · 07/06/2026 12:04

You need a union. I was a member of USDAW and they were great while i was battling work, find one specific to your line of work. They can advise you on legalities, discrimination, guide you through the whole process and most importantly they will accompany you to any grievance meetings. Having someone in my corner who knew all the details was a huge help to me.

This is an ongoing issue - no union will help with a pre-existing problem.

Boreded · 07/06/2026 12:13

ItTook9Years · 07/06/2026 11:31

The promptitutes are out in force today.

What is a promptitute and why does it feel like an insult.

I am presuming it is in reference to saying use chat GPT but given the person needed advice and I am not able to give it, the one quick solution is to put in all of the grievance into a document and submit this, but utilise AI to give a short summary because it is useful.

im going to guess you don’t work for a large company with a really good AI model, if you did you would realise that you can utilise it to do a lot of the leg work for you, and edit context and tweak responses and tone to ensure the output is what is needed. Did you hate Google 20 years ago too?

ColdAsAWitches · 07/06/2026 12:11

You've said a couple of times that they are continuously breaking the law. Is there a whistleblowers route you could take?

ThreadGuardDog · 07/06/2026 12:08

Holidaymodeon · 07/06/2026 10:07

Thank you, even if the issue started a year ago? I have persevered an persevered and it’s hugely impacted my physical and mental health, I’m currently off sick and feel like an untouchable, given some of the responses on this thread I have real concerns about how anyone will respond or react to my complaints.
its so damaging to trust employers to ‘do the right thing’ .
i have spent so long putting on a brave face etc because of the attitudes there and now im suffering hugely as a consequence of trying to make them feel comfortable 😭🙈🤣

OP I’ve been a disability outreach worker for twenty years and have experience with disability based complaints against employers, including the drafting and contextualising of issues. I can understand that you don’t want to go into detail on a public forum, so if you want to PM me with a brief outline of the problem I may be able to help you to prioritise the issues, put them into context and keep things as brief and to the point as possible.

ETA - if you have the resources, putting your grievances in front of a solicitor specialised in employment law would help.

ToadRage · 07/06/2026 12:04

You need a union. I was a member of USDAW and they were great while i was battling work, find one specific to your line of work. They can advise you on legalities, discrimination, guide you through the whole process and most importantly they will accompany you to any grievance meetings. Having someone in my corner who knew all the details was a huge help to me.