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Was this neighbour "entitled to say what he wants in his own garden?"

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MrCollinsandhisboiledpotatoes · 05/06/2026 13:49

My friend shared a funny story this morning.

Her garden ends in a six foot fence, which backs onto another garden for the house behind her. They are large, very long gardens.

The man of this house, clearly thinking he had found a secluded spot away from his kids, was having a VERY explicit conversation with his wife on the phone, at the end of his garden, right against the fence. He was describing in great detail exactly what he was going to do to her when she returned home from her trip.

Trouble is, friend and her kids were sat right on the other side of the fence. They have a decking area there with chairs, tables, kids toys etc.

She couldn't let this conversation go on in earshot of her kids (3yo and 5yo) so she cheerfully shouted over the fence "very happy for your wife mate, but my kids are two feet away from you!" To which she heard a fumbled "shit, hold on" and then silence.

She reiterated this story to us, we all laughed, and agreed she did the right thing.

Retold story to husband just now who laughed, but said really, she had no right to tell him anything and embarrass him. It's his garden, he can have that conversation if he wants, and she should have moved the kids away until it stopped.

I disagree and think if you're going to live around other people you need to think of other people.

Who's right?
Reasonable - me and my friends
unreasonable - my DH

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MalificentOne · 12/08/2026 17:00

Your friend was completely in the right here and honestly did everyone a favour, because while it's true it's his garden and he can say what he likes, he can't reasonably expect total privacy for a graphic phone call shouted right up against a shared fence next to another family's decking area, and once young kids are within earshot that trumps his right to a saucy chat outdoors, so a cheerful heads up like that was actually the kind neighbourly way to handle it compared to storming round or making a formal complaint, and if anything he should be a bit embarrassed at himself rather than at her for pointing it out, since the fix was entirely in his hands the moment he realised where he was standing.

CoverLikelyZebra · 12/06/2026 10:18

She didn't tell him to shut up, she didn't infringe his rights to say what he wants in his garden, she just let him know that young children were nearby and could hear him. He made his own decision to therefore act differently. Yanbu.

Stolengoat · 12/06/2026 10:13

Monty36 · 05/06/2026 14:22

I rather suspect he knew you were there.

What a weird thing to think of.

Merida46 · 08/06/2026 21:57

Sorry but I would have done a Kenneth Williams impression with "OOOOH Matron!"

Hazzakay · 08/06/2026 15:25

Flamingosareflummoxed · 07/06/2026 08:26

What about racism or homophobia? Can people sit in the garden expressing these views loudly?

Sadly, yes they can. Loudly expressing racist or homophobic remarks in a way in which others can hear it is, of course, abhorrent behaviour. Thankfully, it’s largely no longer socially acceptable to do so in public (or even in private if others can hear) but to do so is not a crime (unless you are inciting racial hatred, threatening, intimidating or harassing someone on those grounds etc). I am not suggesting that racist or homophobia are acceptable. To me personally, they are completely unacceptable viewpoints and behaviours and, as I say, abhorrent - but is someone allowed to make racist remarks their garden? Yes, they are - even if others can hear. It’s called free speech.

ApartFromAllThat · 07/06/2026 19:19

MrCollinsandhisboiledpotatoes · 07/06/2026 17:24

My sitting area isn't right up against my fence and my kids weren't there.

Lol, God love you OP trying to have to clarify that it wasn't you and your kids in the story 😭
Just as a summary below, and I don't know if I missed any, the number of times in the story the OP made it obvious that she was not the person in the story and she doesn't have to explain or apologise for the position of the decking which is not actually hers...

  1. My friend shared a funny story this morning.
  2. Her garden...
  3. ...the house behind her.
  4. Trouble is, friend and her kids..
  5. They have a decking area...
  6. She... couldn't let this conversation go on in earshot of
  7. ...her kids (3yo and 5yo) so
  8. ...she... cheerfully shouted over the fence "
  9. she... heard a fumbled "shit, hold on" and then silence.
10. She... reiterated this story 11. To us, 12. ..we all laughed, and agreed 13. she did the right thing. 14. ..she had no right to tell him anything and embarrass him. 15 ...she should have moved the kids away until it stopped.
MrCollinsandhisboiledpotatoes · 07/06/2026 17:24

Contrarymary30 · 07/06/2026 17:22

Of course he can say what he wants in his own garden . Why is your sitting area right up against the adjoining fence ? Just move your kids away , I can't imagine they have the least bit of understanding or interest in what he was saying .

My sitting area isn't right up against my fence and my kids weren't there.

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Contrarymary30 · 07/06/2026 17:22

Of course he can say what he wants in his own garden . Why is your sitting area right up against the adjoining fence ? Just move your kids away , I can't imagine they have the least bit of understanding or interest in what he was saying .

Mijoed · 07/06/2026 15:36

MrCollinsandhisboiledpotatoes · 05/06/2026 13:49

My friend shared a funny story this morning.

Her garden ends in a six foot fence, which backs onto another garden for the house behind her. They are large, very long gardens.

The man of this house, clearly thinking he had found a secluded spot away from his kids, was having a VERY explicit conversation with his wife on the phone, at the end of his garden, right against the fence. He was describing in great detail exactly what he was going to do to her when she returned home from her trip.

Trouble is, friend and her kids were sat right on the other side of the fence. They have a decking area there with chairs, tables, kids toys etc.

She couldn't let this conversation go on in earshot of her kids (3yo and 5yo) so she cheerfully shouted over the fence "very happy for your wife mate, but my kids are two feet away from you!" To which she heard a fumbled "shit, hold on" and then silence.

She reiterated this story to us, we all laughed, and agreed she did the right thing.

Retold story to husband just now who laughed, but said really, she had no right to tell him anything and embarrass him. It's his garden, he can have that conversation if he wants, and she should have moved the kids away until it stopped.

I disagree and think if you're going to live around other people you need to think of other people.

Who's right?
Reasonable - me and my friends
unreasonable - my DH

No story here. He had a conversation that he thought was private. She told him there were kids there. He shut up. All cool.

HR517 · 07/06/2026 15:29

Both right, although you could have saved him the embarrassment and given him the benefit of the doubt of having been overheard if you had called the children instead? Having said that, it was a shared public space and he should have been conscious of that.

ImImmortalNowBabyDoll · 07/06/2026 15:11

I think if she'd gone round and told him off, she'd have been unreasonable.

She didn't, she just let him know that everyone could hear what he presumably thought was a private conversation.

MrCollinsandhisboiledpotatoes · 07/06/2026 14:47

Harriet36 · 06/06/2026 18:47

That was my immediate thought. He was talking to the OW. His wife was probably in the house getting the dinner on.

And no, intimate conversations are not okay if they can be overheard by anyone. Same goes for foul language.

This comment is depressing for three reasons:

  1. People's reading comprehension, or their ability/willingness to do anything beyond skim-reading if reading the first paragraph is getting worse and worse and more and more concerning. It's Mumsnet. It's an optional leisure activity. And yet still, people can't read it properly. I dread to think how they cope with more mundane reading like work tasks or important letters.
  1. It's like people can't accept that married people do have sex with each other, that they can be excited to see one another and want to have kinky sex and phone sex with one another, so it simply must be an affair.
  1. The sexism of "she was probably getting the dinner on"

I shall explain it one last time. It WAS his wife. She was not in the house, barefoot and pregnant and getting the dinner on. She was away on a trip. He was talking about the sex he was going to have with her on her return. The man was already having a conversation with her, on the phone, while in the house. My friend heard him approaching the back of his garden, on the phone the whole time. The conversation turned sexual when he reached the back of the garden, the goal being to get some privacy as far away from his own children as possible.
HTH.

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WhatATimeToBeAlive · 07/06/2026 12:56

FuzzyBumbleeBee · 05/06/2026 14:01

You'd think you have the right to say anything you want in your own garden but last year Dp was in ours and said oh ffs she's smoking again!
Not directed at the neighbour or shouting at her just in general and she called the police on us! And they turned up!

If he thinks any outdoors conversation is private just because he can't see anyone else he's daft the amount of gossip we overhear in our garden is ridiculous

Edited

Seroiusly, the police came out for a rude word?! We're fucked.

Oldwmn · 07/06/2026 12:18

LlynTegid · 05/06/2026 14:16

Just say 'didn't think anyone could hear' and walk away.

Though I suppose it's good to be warned of a man who is inadequate in the bedroom, in case the relationship ends and some other woman expects something that won'r be delivered. Who can be warned.

Killjoy

AnswerIsNo · 07/06/2026 11:56

Sounds like he's just read 50 Shades of Grey for the first time

Assuming he can read

Sounds like an absolute knob

MrRighteous · 07/06/2026 11:51

You should sent the children indoors and got close to the fence, you may have picked up a few tips!

Isittimeformynapyet · 07/06/2026 11:36

LlynTegid · 05/06/2026 14:16

Just say 'didn't think anyone could hear' and walk away.

Though I suppose it's good to be warned of a man who is inadequate in the bedroom, in case the relationship ends and some other woman expects something that won'r be delivered. Who can be warned.

I've come back to this post to see if it makes any sense through fresh eyes, but no.

It's like it's on the wrong thread 🤔

ApartFromAllThat · 07/06/2026 11:16

Snakebite61 · 07/06/2026 10:56

The choice you gave us at the end doesn't make sense.

Sheeeesh. How much help do you need with it?

"Who's right?
Reasonable - me and my friends
unreasonable - my DH"

Who's right? Vote reasonable i.e. not unreasonable if you agree with OP and friends

...if not, that then leaves you with the option of voting unreasonable if you agree with DH over the OP.

Could it maybe have been worded better? I guess. Is there any other logical comprehension of it? Nope.

TadpolesInPool · 07/06/2026 11:01

Kelly1969 · 07/06/2026 10:28

I would have turned to my child and said in French “oops don’t listen to that conversation”!

I was hoping he wasn't as they had been chatting in Italian before and the conversation of 30 something year old women is just not interesting for a 12 year old.

I also continued our conversation over the top and hoped he wouldn't notice.

Fortunately one of them was being very coy and talking in euphemisms so, from what he said afterwards, it mostly went over his head.

Snakebite61 · 07/06/2026 10:56

MrCollinsandhisboiledpotatoes · 05/06/2026 13:49

My friend shared a funny story this morning.

Her garden ends in a six foot fence, which backs onto another garden for the house behind her. They are large, very long gardens.

The man of this house, clearly thinking he had found a secluded spot away from his kids, was having a VERY explicit conversation with his wife on the phone, at the end of his garden, right against the fence. He was describing in great detail exactly what he was going to do to her when she returned home from her trip.

Trouble is, friend and her kids were sat right on the other side of the fence. They have a decking area there with chairs, tables, kids toys etc.

She couldn't let this conversation go on in earshot of her kids (3yo and 5yo) so she cheerfully shouted over the fence "very happy for your wife mate, but my kids are two feet away from you!" To which she heard a fumbled "shit, hold on" and then silence.

She reiterated this story to us, we all laughed, and agreed she did the right thing.

Retold story to husband just now who laughed, but said really, she had no right to tell him anything and embarrass him. It's his garden, he can have that conversation if he wants, and she should have moved the kids away until it stopped.

I disagree and think if you're going to live around other people you need to think of other people.

Who's right?
Reasonable - me and my friends
unreasonable - my DH

The choice you gave us at the end doesn't make sense.

PeoplesNet · 07/06/2026 10:42

MrCollinsandhisboiledpotatoes · 05/06/2026 13:49

My friend shared a funny story this morning.

Her garden ends in a six foot fence, which backs onto another garden for the house behind her. They are large, very long gardens.

The man of this house, clearly thinking he had found a secluded spot away from his kids, was having a VERY explicit conversation with his wife on the phone, at the end of his garden, right against the fence. He was describing in great detail exactly what he was going to do to her when she returned home from her trip.

Trouble is, friend and her kids were sat right on the other side of the fence. They have a decking area there with chairs, tables, kids toys etc.

She couldn't let this conversation go on in earshot of her kids (3yo and 5yo) so she cheerfully shouted over the fence "very happy for your wife mate, but my kids are two feet away from you!" To which she heard a fumbled "shit, hold on" and then silence.

She reiterated this story to us, we all laughed, and agreed she did the right thing.

Retold story to husband just now who laughed, but said really, she had no right to tell him anything and embarrass him. It's his garden, he can have that conversation if he wants, and she should have moved the kids away until it stopped.

I disagree and think if you're going to live around other people you need to think of other people.

Who's right?
Reasonable - me and my friends
unreasonable - my DH

In two minds. He has the right to use his garden for privacy but if your friend set theirs up so he never gets it.. also, if they regularly socialise / make noise right at the edge of his garden.. maybe he has decided to stop giving a sh*t. They can ask, but I don't think they can stop someone having a conversation in their own garden. They have the option of asking their children to play elsewhere or just remembering that kids that age don't understand what is being said and won't care anyway. Put some music on.

ApartFromAllThat · 07/06/2026 10:30

MrCollinsandhisboiledpotatoes · 05/06/2026 16:44

I googled it for you, so you don't have to, yw 😀

I love that someone has asked Reddit 😆 "I really fancy a wank in the garden, I wonder what Reddit thinks of this?" 🤣

Thank you very much for googling this for us 😄😉
So it's established that you are allowed to wank/make sweet sweet love in your garden.
But it's illegal if you can be seen.

Question, and somewhat pertinent to this case...can you Google for us if it's legal/illegal if you are not seen, but heard?!

I await your favourable reply

Kelly1969 · 07/06/2026 10:28

TadpolesInPool · 07/06/2026 09:49

Reminds me of when I was on a train in Italy recently with my 12 year old. We are both bilingual English-French but only speak English together.

A couple of women opposite us were chatting away in Italian.

Next thing you know, they are going into detail about one woman's new boyfriend and how far they've gone in bed together. In French. Presumably so no one understands them. Except DS and I do 😳

I didn't know what to do as DS and I had spent the previous 30 minutes talking in English so it would be very strange to start speaking in French.

I would have turned to my child and said in French “oops don’t listen to that conversation”!

Kelly1969 · 07/06/2026 10:25

Not unreasonable but I see both sides!
Yes he can say what he likes on his property but when it’s a conversation that can be heard by others he should be mindful!
Would he stand on the edge of his front garden having this conversation for passersbys to hear?
To me it’s the same, he’s on “his property” but he doesn’t own the air/sound space (probably not a word but you know what I mean!).
The neighbour was probably glad to be interrupted as more embarrassing to have the entire conversation and then realise you’ve been overheard!
Ridiculous of husband to expect the kids to have to come inside, and it begs the question why can’t the husband have that conversation in the privacy of his home while his wife’s away!
If he has kids in the house he should also realise that the neighbours kids don’t want to hear that either!

Redlocks30 · 07/06/2026 10:03

TadpolesInPool · 07/06/2026 09:49

Reminds me of when I was on a train in Italy recently with my 12 year old. We are both bilingual English-French but only speak English together.

A couple of women opposite us were chatting away in Italian.

Next thing you know, they are going into detail about one woman's new boyfriend and how far they've gone in bed together. In French. Presumably so no one understands them. Except DS and I do 😳

I didn't know what to do as DS and I had spent the previous 30 minutes talking in English so it would be very strange to start speaking in French.

If I had a child there, I would have let them know that I understood what they were saying by the expression on my face!