To think all knives including religious ones should be banned, after what happened to Henry Nowak

Do you know how many injuries/deaths are caused by the use of a kirpan in the UK
annually?

Not a 'trick' question! Just genuinely interested?!

If changing the law wouldn't have made any difference in this tragic case, what's the point unless there are other deaths using

Even if you bann knifes, ceremonial blades and genuine tools, there will always be some idiots carrying one with the intent to harm someone or something.

Hadn't he been banned from the temple so wasn't a practising sikh?

Or fresh fruit ?

("It was a viscously sharp slice of mango, sir.")

The knife used to kill Henry Nowak was legally held.
The killer belongs to a sect of Sikhs that habitually carry two knives - one hidden and one on view. Perfectly legally.

The fact that the lethal knife wasn’t a kirpan is irrelevant - it was held legally under religious exemptions to UK knife laws. Exemptions that only apply to Sikhs. It could easily have been a second, larger kirpan.

Read the statement by the Judge. He mentions that the second knife was legal.

The problem is not carrying knives.
It's using knives.

The Sikh community have been a model.of integration thus far and have exemptions for crash hats and tiny knives.

The problem is this sht of a family*

And of the police being poorly trained about internal bleeding

And of the fear of being accused of racism

And of this sht of a person being happy to kill and leverage a way of thinking*

BAD LAWS ARE MADE FROM BAD CASES and especially from single instances.

Focus the disgust where it should be - on this savage idiot. Hike his sentence further, I don't care, but don't punish a community that already disowned him, and don't give in to unfocused actions.

Electricians, plumbers, handymen, gardeners.

People carry knives for all kinds of reasons. I take my kitchen knives to be sharpened professionaly. You might take a knife on a picnic. I help cater for events and need to take knives for cooking and serving. People who hike, trek, mountaineer all need knives for cutting undergrowth or ropes.

DH is an electrician and carries a knife for work.

How would you even get a knife home from the shop?

The knife used in the killing would have been illegal to carry anyway, as are most knives used in crimes (possibly all, since the excuse for carrying them is either self defence or aggression- neither of which are legal exemptions).

The problem in this country is we get knee-jerk, badly designed laws every time something bad happens. Then we wonder why the police and courts are over stretched.

So you've never had to buy any kitchen or cooking knives? Never had to use a pen knife or camping knife?

And of course people have to sharpen their knives, they go blunt with use.

I've never had reason to do all sorts of things, I don't want them banning! Yes people take their knives to be sharpened, my butcher does it for free, he's much better than it than me! It makes the world of difference.

You'd have a connuption if you saw the horihori knife I use.

The problem is people break the law, so even if they made a new law it will get broke just like the others. People are allowed by law to carry or wear a blade for religious reasons they are not allowed by law to use the blade. So those using a religious blade for harm are already breaking the law so I’m not sure they’d listen to a new one even if you did give a name after someone

Have you ever owned a knife? How did you get that knife home from the shop? Did you... carry it?

How does banning knives prevent others from using knives that are already illegal? No one is murdering anyone with a nail file ffs. They are using machetes and similar which are already "banned".

Ugh.

Many Sikhs blunt the blade of the Kirpah except those who are particularly devout.

Are you really advocating for religious censoring? That's a dangerous road to go down. Who are you or anyone else to decide what counts as kind and inclusive and what doesn't on behalf of someone else? You also can't say you want to keep things 'inclusive' while refusing to allow someone to practice core elements of their faith.

Yabu because you are having knee jerk reaction rather than thinking.

There are already strict knife laws. Many people carry knives legally and without issue as they understand the law. And they know the consequences of breaking said law.

Would you ban a skater from carrying ice skates? A very sharp blade, has been used to kill...

Or a Military officer from carrying their sword on parade?

An archer with his arrows?

A glazier with glass, that can be lethal.

What about a pointy stick?

Gabrielle Carrington illegally used her car as a murder weapon. Therefore should all women be prevented from car ownership and driving? We could call it the Klaudia Zakrzewska bill in memory of the innocent woman that lost her life...

Cars aren't kind and inclusive, so I'm sure woman wont be affected if they can't use them...

So how do you propose people who need them for work transport them?

DH uses lots of sharp knives at work. Should he just shut his business down?

Knife bans perplex me. What counts as a knife and what is a tool? What counts as carrying?

however a law is written, if it can allow for a religious exemption, then I think it should allow anyone to do the exact same thing whether they practice the religion in mind or not. If you can allow the exemption, then it isn’t truly a matter of safety and it is discrimination to not let other people do the exact same thing.

Sure, but it’d be possible to carry them in a closed container of some sort.

It’s completely unreasonable to say all knives should be banned from being carried. There are legitimate reasons. I mean, someone could be taking their knife to be sharpened. Should they get into trouble, or have the blade confiscated?

Do you have a link from chatgpt to the poll carried out saying Sikhs agree to this? I've not been able to find anything on this to suggest Sikhs have been polled?