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To think all knives including religious ones should be banned, after what happened to Henry Nowak

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BritIndianGal · 04/06/2026 15:19

A more sensible thread this time. I think all carrying of knives should be banned with no religious exemptions allowed , the law should be called the Henry Nowak Bill ....in memory of the young man who lost his life

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LovelyCrocus · 04/06/2026 16:15

sprigatito · 04/06/2026 16:02

This would be somewhat tricky for our family, given that DS is a chef and DH and I both teach bushcraft to children. There have always been legitimate exceptions to the law on weapons. They are not the problem. Knife attacks are pretty much always committed with a weapon that doesn’t fulfil a legal exception - this applies to the Henry Nowak attack as well (it wasn’t done with his official kirpan, and it wasn’t the only blade he was carrying).

The knife that killed Henry Nowak was legally held.

10. You were sober but were carrying a large Sikh dagger in a sheath attached to a belt over the outside of your clothing. It is a strict requirement of the Sikh faith to have a knife, called a kirpan, at all times. Generally, this will be a small knife, hidden from view, often on a length of cord and worn around the neck.
You had that but, in addition, the large dagger in a sheath. You are a member of an order of Sikhs called the Nihang who have a tradition of having a second
knife, or kirpan and that is often fully visible, believing that the guru will look favourably on that. You observed that tradition in your everyday life, at work and in public. However, it was not a strict requirement; that is borne out by the fact that neither your brother nor father who arrived on the scene after you had stabbed Henry were so dressed. According to Professor Gurnam Singh, Professor of Sociology and an expert in the field: "Over the last 30 years, there has been a trend towards younger people wearing a kirpan with pride, in a desire to express their cultural identity. They see it as an act of resistance to being denied the ability otherwise to display their identity."

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Digwa-Final-Sentencing-Remarks.pdf

No, it wasn’t a kirpan in style. However the killer belonged to a sect of Sikhs who are allowed to carry a second knife outside their clothing.

Please don’t promote misinformation by saying it was held illegally. It wasn’t.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/Digwa-Final-Sentencing-Remarks.pdf

JustaDream · 04/06/2026 16:14

BritIndianGal · 04/06/2026 16:12

Ahh Mrs Pratchett.....

My other suggestion was going to be that we intermarry off everyone so there is no more separate races ....and that we have only one world religion, maybe Taoism ....

But yes just really very very upset about is all, about Henry's killing.
Only heard two days ago and saw the video

No thanks.

tiramisugelato · 04/06/2026 16:13

ThejoyofNC · 04/06/2026 16:06

People keep giving examples of people who use knives in their profession. Do any of those walk around with it strapped to them 24/7 when they're not even working? Nope

But these people still need to carry knives to get from their homes to their jobs. DH has multiple pen knives etc. in his car for work as he's often working in multiple properties at once.

tiramisugelato · 04/06/2026 16:12

JuneJoys · 04/06/2026 16:10

Maybe he could use a silicon spoon instead?

🤣🤣🤣.🙄🙇🏻‍♀️

He says he'd prefer a fork 😂

BritIndianGal · 04/06/2026 16:12

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/06/2026 16:09

No. Stupid kneejerk bullshit.

Ahh Mrs Pratchett.....

My other suggestion was going to be that we intermarry off everyone so there is no more separate races ....and that we have only one world religion, maybe Taoism ....

But yes just really very very upset about is all, about Henry's killing.
Only heard two days ago and saw the video

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JuneJoys · 04/06/2026 16:10

tiramisugelato · 04/06/2026 15:46

So how do you propose people who need them for work transport them?

DH uses lots of sharp knives at work. Should he just shut his business down?

Maybe he could use a silicon spoon instead?

🤣🤣🤣.🙄🙇🏻‍♀️

MrsTerryPratchett · 04/06/2026 16:09

No. Stupid kneejerk bullshit.

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2026 16:08

ThejoyofNC · 04/06/2026 16:06

People keep giving examples of people who use knives in their profession. Do any of those walk around with it strapped to them 24/7 when they're not even working? Nope

How would you know ?

How would you know if anyone was carrying a concealed knife as they go past you ?

ThejoyofNC · 04/06/2026 16:06

People keep giving examples of people who use knives in their profession. Do any of those walk around with it strapped to them 24/7 when they're not even working? Nope

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2026 16:06

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I'm far more scared of Farage, Robinson and their slime trail than the entire UK Sikh community. Even as I type I know our local Gurdwaras are dishing out free food to anyone who asks. Where is the arsewipe Farage and his five million ? Who are they feeding ?

JuneJoys · 04/06/2026 16:05

BritIndianGal · 04/06/2026 15:39

ChatGpt said a lot of sikhs agree as well,

We just need the law rolled out

No knives to be carried in public, including chefs and fencers

Firstly, I don't give a FF what ChstGPT 'says'

Including chefs & fencers 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 you really are being unbelievably unrealistic.

how do you think chefs, fencers, builders, decorators, plumbers (the lust goes on) are going to do their trades???

tiramisugelato · 04/06/2026 16:05

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Are you always so openly ignorant and racist, or is today a special occasion?

sprigatito · 04/06/2026 16:04

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What on earth? That is a baldly racist comment. You used to think “they” were gentle souls? What, all of them? Are white British people all identical as well, or does it only apply to brown people? 🤦🏻‍♀️

Ablondiebutagoody · 04/06/2026 16:03

No point banning them if people aren't prosecuted for carrying, which they generally aren't

Shoutinglagerlagerlager · 04/06/2026 16:02

What happened in this case was tragic. However, how many such crimes have Sikh men committed? It does not appear to be a widespread problem, more an isolated case.

sprigatito · 04/06/2026 16:02

This would be somewhat tricky for our family, given that DS is a chef and DH and I both teach bushcraft to children. There have always been legitimate exceptions to the law on weapons. They are not the problem. Knife attacks are pretty much always committed with a weapon that doesn’t fulfil a legal exception - this applies to the Henry Nowak attack as well (it wasn’t done with his official kirpan, and it wasn’t the only blade he was carrying).

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JuneJoys · 04/06/2026 16:00

Lavender14 · 04/06/2026 15:39

Also just to add that a lot of the 'sharps' I've known young people to carry with the intent of causing harm are not always a blade but would include things like screwdrivers or scissors etc. If someone is seeking to cause harm (or protect themselves as I'd say the majority of young people especially who carry a weapon see it as self protection rather than with any intent to seek out violence) they will find a way to do it even without a knife/blade specifically.

So it's a pointless exercise- what we actually need is more investment into the youth sector in a consistent way (chronic short term funding is no good), much better investment into the mental health, charity and social services sectors and better pathways into employment for those at risk from poverty. If you aren't addressing those things the rest is honestly pointless.

All of this!!

Snorlaxo · 04/06/2026 16:00

I take a blade to work because the blunt tools provided by my employer are more likely to result in injury.

caringcarer · 04/06/2026 15:59

100 percent agree. There is never a legitimate reason to carry knives around. Also allowing some groups to carry knives but others is 2 tier policing.

SerendipityJane · 04/06/2026 15:58

More people are killed by dogs than kirpans.

#justsayin'

BashfulClam · 04/06/2026 15:57

BritIndianGal · 04/06/2026 15:39

ChatGpt said a lot of sikhs agree as well,

We just need the law rolled out

No knives to be carried in public, including chefs and fencers

My friend is a chef, if he is working st. a function he has to carry his knife roll… it’s already a banned blade that was used.

LovelyCrocus · 04/06/2026 15:57

chirrupybird · 04/06/2026 15:55

Hadn't he been banned from the temple so wasn't a practising sikh?

No idea. I’m only going by the statement from the Judge. I feel fairly confident he probably had all the relevant information to hand.

Tabarnak · 04/06/2026 15:57

It’s already illegal to carry a knife for which you have no legitimate use. It’s already illegal to carry the knife that was used in the killing in the way it was carried.

I use my Swiss Army knife all the time when camping and on picnics.

BritIndianGal · 04/06/2026 15:56

Lavender14 · 04/06/2026 15:48

Have you ever owned a knife? How did you get that knife home from the shop? Did you... carry it?

Kitchen knife from Ikea , brought home in the box and never left home after that.
I do see your point though.

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