To think all knives including religious ones should be banned, after what happened to Henry Nowak

Maybe we should make murdering people a crime? That'd stop it, surely?

'Everyone' suggests throngs of people. There were two police officers, the two brothers, and the brothers' father. The brothers and father didn't care, the police were incompetent. The fatal wound was internal, so no blood on the ground, which is not excluding the police but it adds to our understanding of what happened.

But you aren’t allowed to carry your sharp blades on view in public without consequence.

That is the difference.

Many chefs have their own set of knives that they absolutely do carry to and from work with them. That's not uncommon at all. A good set of knives is expensive; they wouldn't leave it around for anyone to use.

I'm struggling to tell if you're being deliberately obtuse now to be honest.

You can recognise and respect a different culture and religion without having to take it upon yourself. People who come to Britain irregardless of the route still have the autonomy to choose their own identity and to what extent they take on British cultural or religious behaviour.

And can you really not understand why someone might migrate to flee war, famine, forced marriage, torture? Really?

Just because you've been privileged enough to not need to seek asylum doesn't mean its not what you would do if you were in that situation. And it's not to say that you will never end up doing it in the future if the UK is impacted by war or climate change.

A single scalpel blade, tiny wee thing, is a very effective killer.

Could ban drinking straws too. I can take someone out with one of those too, randomly. Not one of those shitty tissue paper McDonald's ones though. Probably. Might have to do a test on a potato 🤔

Sikhs in this country are law-abiding and peaceful. The horrendous murder of Henry Nowak was a one off. The murderer was a racist and a liar, certainly not representative of the Sikh community.
But the 'two-tier' policing debate is causing much resentment here.
So the 'no knives' rule should not allow exceptions, especially when alternatives can be used, as in miniature, blunt symbols, rather than actual knives.

Yabu. Someone backpacking on a bus to festival say . Has a knife to chop with when preparing food.

I think that Digwa's religion is irrelevant. He is clearly the kind of young man who is violent and would get his hands on some kind of blade regardless.

Responsible and law abiding gun owners lock up their weapons.
My ceremonial knives are stored safely, unlike my legal huge carving knives, cleavers, saws, hammers, etc.

As I have said before, people kill people, not a knife or a gun.
Or ropes, hammers, golf clubs, tights, chain saws, etc.
Shall we licence pillows, which can be used to smother people?

All the bans and restrictions on handguns, various blades, shotguns, whatever, will be observed by law abiding, non violent people and ignored by criminals and violent people, who will be able to obtain any weapon they want on the black market.
Hasty, knee jerk legislation is invariably bad law.

It would be better to concentrate on how we are socialising our NEET young people and being more discriminating about the people to whom we open our borders.

A lot of the people who enriched our economy and our country got off boats, or planes later with very little going for them in your terms of being "highly skilled" but did manage to make many valuable contributions. All sorts of races and cultures and religions, often a bit lost when they landed.

You came in 2007, you've said that yourself. You appear to be more exclusive in your take on this than eg me, who is about as white British as it gets (I've done the family history) Why? What does 'British' mean apart from following the rule of law and paying your taxes?

What?
The OP asked a question; I answered it.

Waiting for the trial. For experiencd experts to do reports. For psychologiss, social workers, mental health workers to weigh in.

Neither your reckons, nor mine, will be a silver bullet.

I'm clever enough to know I'm not informed enough. You don't seem to be.

I worked in a fishmonger counter at a supermarket as a teen.
The fishmonger bought his own knives (supermarket ones were not good) and carried them in a knife roll, which he put at the bottom of his bag. He explained that his responsibility was to keep them out of grab range. Also, he would sometimes leave them in locker at work if he was going to pub, but he didn't like to do that as they were expensive.
So that's a sensible way to manage work knives.

If they’re not allowed to carry religious blades in prison for health and safety reasons, then well DUH, why let them carry them in public then?!

I can't see a single case in the UK that a Kirpan has been used to defend / protect. The whole point of carrying a kirpan is for that reason.
Imo as its never been used for good why not just carry a symbol of the kirpan. They don't need an actual blade. Sikh gentleman at my work is nice enough but always gets his out to show it off and harps on about thw training he's had but he doesn't look very trained when he's jumping about with it.

I think the laws regarding religious exemptions do need looking at. That doesn’t necessarily mean a ban on the kirpan.

Seemingly kirpans should only be carried by baptised Sikhs. They can wear a token one on a necklace, it doesn’t need to be a full size lethally sharp knife.

One thing that shocked me about the death of Henry Nowak is that Sikhs have a religious exemption from UK knife laws. Generally locking blades over 3 inches are illegal. Possession by anyone else is illegal and can lead to prosecution and a criminal record. Note: I’m not a lawyer and this is what I’ve understood from reading on the Gov website!

We have strict gun laws in this country. Possession isn’t illegal in the right circumstances. But gun owners have to be licensed and the police check they are stored safely in the home. People who are wholly unsuited to owning guns are unlikely to be able to obtain a gun licence. Obviously that depends on those concerns being known about in advance.

Henry Nowak’s killer was clearly wholly unsuitable to be in possession of a sharp knife. Apparently concerns about his love of weaponry had been aired in his local Sikh community. Police found an arsenal of weapons when the home was searched.

If in government, I would be looking at licensing for Sikhs to carry full size sharp kirpans. Much like the licensing system for guns. Home checks could be made to ensure that they are stored appropriately and that no one in the home has access if they would be unlikely to obtain a licence themselves. Before issuing licences, police could cross check with the local Sikh community that the individual is really a baptised Sikh and that they are of good character. Anyone who raises red flags doesn’t get a licence and they’ll have to make do with a mini charm on a necklace which wouldn’t be subject to any checks or licensing.

It wouldn’t be perfect, but it might weed out people like Henry Nowak’s killer. He was able to legally carry a lethal weapon with no checks or oversight whatsoever, simply because of his religion. That doesn’t seem right.

Criminals being known for being put off stabbing someone because it’s illegal

I don’t know about the accuracy of that statement but I don’t think ChatGPT is a great source for any argument.