To be totally APPALLED by how Robinson referred to Henry Nowak in his “speech” in Southampton on Tuesday?

“Oh not those <insert subject of racist comment>. He didn’t mean them”. Classic.

I’m very familiar with the case as it happened in my town. Could not recognise it from the ‘facts’ you stated and only finally worked it out by putting together ‘Bailey’ + ‘Tommy Robinson’. I cannot believe how you are portraying that incident on this thread.

Rubbish. Absolute rot.

The prevailing attitude from Charlie's Kirks political opponents was that although his views were heinous, he did not deserve to be murdered.

Oh he didn’t mean those Eastern Europeans, thanks for clarifying.

Maybe you need to look up how many countries there are in Eastern Europe and note that Poland is only one of them.

So he didn’t say that Henry Nowaks relatives were stealing swans as per your rather fanciful and clearly fabricated claim, did he.

And again, what is the point of this load of rubbish. Can’t you debate without insulting and patronising all the time?

Eh?

this was the quote from his speech provided by pp:

”I’ve spoken about this for 20 years. To be a victim of a race gang, i.e., Pakistani Muslims, will be beating up a white kid, the police will turn up, and they will jump on the white kid. Every time, I’ve seen it my whole life.”

As he has spoken about this for 20 years and Henry’s murder occurred last December, he’s clearly not only referencing Henry’s murder. Surely you can understand that? if he’s been talking about it for 20 years, it would be unusual phrasing if he is only talking about one example that happened 20 years ago so it is reasonable to infer that there are multiple examples.

Although are you now claiming there has been '2-tier policing' for 20 years.

That is not my claim, but I take it you’ve heard of the grooming gangs that were specifically Pakistani Muslim (as opposed to other grooming gangs tho were treated somewhat differently and efforts were made to stop and prosecute them)? They are a prime example of two tier policing and the rapists were not operating in isolation. Members of the community were involved in attacking and threatening the families of the raped girls to silence them. I’m sure that has produced many more examples of two tier policing.

It's surprising that the likes of Nigel Farage haven't acted more quickly. Mind you, as someone else pointed out, maybe Nige was too busy accusing Henry Nowak's relatives of eating swans.

What a very odd but of whataboutery you have fabricated. Please provide evidence that Farage has ever mentioned Henry Nowaks relatives in relation to immigrants allegedly stealing swans. And what has stealing swans got to do with the murder of Henry Nowak?

Talk about using his murder to try and make a political point!!

NF said in September 2025 (as in, not very long ago) that Eastern Europeans were eating swans from Royal Parks, because where they come from, that’s acceptable.

I don’t think you need an explainer about where Poland is.

Hat trick! Well done all of you

Are you one of those women that pops up on MN with really low standards when it comes to men? Is that why a prospective MP who engages in rank misogyny is just met with a "Oh well that's just normal men innit?"? Raise your bar.

If I shouted it at you in Words of one syllable and swore a bit, would that help you be less bored and confused?

Eh?

this was the quote from his speech provided by pp:

”I’ve spoken about this for 20 years. To be a victim of a race gang, i.e., Pakistani Muslims, will be beating up a white kid, the police will turn up, and they will jump on the white kid. Every time, I’ve seen it my whole life.”

As he has spoken about this for 20 years and Henry’s murder occurred last December, he’s clearly not only referencing Henry’s murder. Surely you can understand that? if he’s been talking about it for 20 years, it would be unusual phrasing if he is only talking about one example that happened 20 years ago so it is reasonable to infer that there are multiple examples.

Although are you now claiming there has been '2-tier policing' for 20 years.

That is not my claim, but I take it you’ve heard of the grooming gangs that were specifically Pakistani Muslim (as opposed to other grooming gangs tho were treated somewhat differently and efforts were made to stop and prosecute them)? They are a prime example of two tier policing and the rapists were not operating in isolation. Members of the community were involved in attacking and threatening the families of the raped girls to silence them. I’m sure that has produced many more examples of two tier policing.

It's surprising that the likes of Nigel Farage haven't acted more quickly. Mind you, as someone else pointed out, maybe Nige was too busy accusing Henry Nowak's relatives of eating swans.

What a very odd but of whataboutery you have fabricated. Please provide evidence that Farage has ever mentioned Henry Nowaks relatives in relation to immigrants allegedly stealing swans. And what has stealing swans got to do with the murder of Henry Nowak?

Talk about using his murder to try and make a political point!!

Do you understand what he means by ‘two tier policing’ and providing relevant examples?

Are you really desperate to focus on how two tier policing works with Sikhs only? Why would that be?

I don’t need you to have hope for me thanks all the same. 👍

Are you one of those women that pops up on MN with really low standards when it comes to men? Is that why a prospective MP who engages in rank misogyny is just met with a "Oh well that's just normal men innit?"? Raise your bar.

🥱

Ah sorry, girl-pants. Are they starched bloomers by any chance?

Nope. That's not what he said. He is not 'clearly talking about multiple examples'.

Although are you now claiming there has been '2-tier policing' for 20 years. Maybe you'll have more success than the previous poster in finding links to these cases of race gangs of Pakistani Muslims beating up a white guy and when the police turn up they jump on the white guy. It's surprising that the likes of Nigel Farage haven't acted more quickly. Mind you, as someone else pointed out, maybe Nige was too busy accusing Henry Nowak's relatives of eating swans.

Not boy pants, girl pants. so nice bit of fishing there. You're not the first poster to presume I'm not a woman because I'm not obsessed with misogyny. I didn't tell you to go away - childish language - I advised you to not derail the thread. I'm not arguing all morning about a totally irrelevant deflection tactic. Good day.

In relation to TR you said " why not engage your thoughts with the substance of his words". I have. At a protest about 2-tier policing focussed on a murder committed by a British Sikh man, TR chose to talk about 'Pakistani Muslims'. How about you take your own advice and engage your thoughts about why, in this context, TR made it about Pakistani Muslims.

Yes, he’s talking about two tier policing and the many examples he’s found of that. It turns out that many of the known examples are in a certain group. Are you upset that he took the focus off Sikhs - presumably because there are fewer examples in that religion?

That is what I meant by ‘substance of what he was saying’?

If you seriously cannot grasp that Yaxley-Lennon specifically referred to Muslims in a speech about Henry Nowak, which had absolutely nothing to do with Muslims, because he deliberately sought to incite hate against them, there really is no hope for you.

Not boy pants, girl pants. so nice bit of fishing there. You're not the first poster to presume I'm not a woman because I'm not obsessed with misogyny. I didn't tell you to go away - childish language - I advised you to not derail the thread. I'm not arguing all morning about a totally irrelevant deflection tactic. Good day.

What are you confused about exactly? Things have changed a great deal since the 1960s in both in our attitudes to racism and sexism.
We have legislation that has forced changes to behaviour, and if behaviour changes then often attitudes follow.
This is how society has moved from public executions being a spectator sport, to a place where many don't believe in the death penalty at all. How we've gone from shows like 'love thy neighbour' being family fun, to racism and homophobic no longer a joke amongst decent people.
Basic human nature doesn't change, but what we see as socially acceptable, clearly does.
There is still a long way to go in the fight against racism and sexism, and how we eradicate these things is obviously a point of disagreement.